Superposition of electric field

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The problem involves calculating the net electrostatic force on charge q3 due to two other charges, q1 and q2, positioned in a two-dimensional space. The context is rooted in electrostatics and vector addition of forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of forces between charges and the importance of considering the direction of these forces based on the signs of the charges. There are questions about the correct angle calculations and the resultant vector from the forces acting on q3.

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Several participants have provided guidance on the importance of drawing force diagrams and considering the direction of forces. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating angles and resultant forces, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Homework Statement



Charge q1 = 1.8 10-8 C is placed at the origin. Charges q2 = -1.7 10-8 C and q3 = 2.6 10-8 C are placed at points (0.18 m, 0 m) and (0 m, 0.24 m), respectively, as shown in the figure. Determine the net electrostatic force (magnitude and direction) on charge
q3.

question attacted with picture


find the magnitude and direction



The Attempt at a Solution



F(2-3) = k*abs(q2 * q3) / l2 = 4.42*10-5 N
F(2-3)x = 4.42*10-5 N * cos (36.9)
F(2-3)y =4.42*10-5 N * sin(36.9)



F(1-3)y = k*abs(q1 * q3) / l2 = 7.3 * 10-5 N

and then you add each x and y and get the net magnitude

but answer to the angle seems to be 54.9 degrees not 36.9 why is it 54.9?
tan-1(.18/.24 ) = 36.9 degrees not 54.9 nor is 90-36.9 not= 54.9

thank you
it would help me a lot if someone wrote a walkthrough of this problem
 

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You need to take into account the direction of the forces due to the sign of the charges. Does each pair attract or repel?
 
vela said:
You need to take into account the direction of the forces due to the sign of the charges. Does each pair attract or repel?

2 and 3 attracts so the equation should be positive
and 1 and 3 repels so the equation should be negative
 
yjk91,

Drawing a force diagram and the resultant vector would be extremely helpful for you to realize your mistake. Remember that you can take the arctan of any unitless value, which applies to force/force. Also, keep in mind SOHCAHTOA. It appears you have mistaken sine for cosine in your attempted solution.
 
Hyperspaceme's suggestion is an excellent one. You don't even have to draw it terribly accurately. It will guide you in setting up your calculations and give you an idea of what the answer should be.
 
but how do you get angle of 54.9?
 
yjk91,

Maybe if I point out what you did wrong, you might understand how to proceed.

The angle that you solved for with tan-1(.18/.24) is the angle between the force of q1 on q3 and the force of q2 on q3. This is not the resultant vector. The resultant vector will be the force of q1 on q3 and the force of q2 on q3, added component by component. This is what got you the magnitude, but it will also be what gets you the angle.

Did you solve for the magnitude already? How did you achieve this?
 
hyperspaceme said:
yjk91,

Maybe if I point out what you did wrong, you might understand how to proceed.

The angle that you solved for with tan-1(.18/.24) is the angle between the force of q1 on q3 and the force of q2 on q3. This is not the resultant vector. The resultant vector will be the force of q1 on q3 and the force of q2 on q3, added component by component. This is what got you the magnitude, but it will also be what gets you the angle.

Did you solve for the magnitude already? How did you achieve this?

yeah i got the magnitude by doing this

F(1-3)y = k(q1 * q3) / l^2 = 7.3 * 10^-5

F(2-3) = k*abs(q2 * q3) / l^2 = 4.42*10-5 N
F(2-3)x = 4.42*10-5 N * sin (36.9)
F(2-3)y =4.42*10-5 N * cos(36.9)


Fy net = F(1-3) - F(2-3) = 3.8 * 10^-5
Fx net = F(2-3) = 2.65 * 10^-5 N

F net = rad(Fx net ^2 + Fy net ^2) = 4.61 e -5
and this is right
but i don't know how to get the angle counter clockwise from the x axis
 
nvm i got it all i had to do was tan^-1(fy net / fx net)
 

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