Surds in polar form of imaginary number

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The discussion revolves around finding the polar form of complex numbers, specifically for the complex numbers z = 2√3 - 2i and w = -1 + i. Participants are exploring the implications of different angles in polar coordinates and how they relate to the quadrants in the Argand plane.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the modulus and argument of the complex numbers, questioning the validity of different angle representations in polar form. There is a focus on understanding the quadrant placement of z and the implications for the argument.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the relationship between the angles derived from the tangent function and their corresponding positions in the Argand plane. Some participants have offered insights into the periodic nature of trigonometric functions and how that affects the representation of complex numbers in polar form.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of angle representation in polar coordinates, particularly in relation to the quadrants of the Argand plane and the periodicity of trigonometric functions. There is acknowledgment of the potential for confusion when using arctangent without considering the quadrant context.

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Homework Statement


Find the polar form for zw by first putting z and w into polar form.
z=2√3-2i, w= -1+i

Homework Equations


Tan-1(-√3/3)= 5∏/6

The Attempt at a Solution


r= √[(2√3)2+(-2)2]=4
tanθ= -2/(2√3)=-1/√3=-√3/3=> acording to above... tan-1(-√3/3)= 5∏/6
so, in polar form z should be 4[cos(5∏/6)+isin(5∏/6)]...
However, in the markscheme as well as in another source i have (thus me deducing there was no coincidence) they've put 4[cos(-∏/6)+isin(-∏/6)].
I understand how tan(5∏/6) and tan(-∏/6) both equal(-√3/3)... though that's not the case for when it comes to cos(5∏/6) and cos(-∏/6).
So i would appreciate it if someone explained to me where i have gone wrong... and i think the question is pretty clear but if you think i haven't explained myself correctly go forth and tell me!

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Sketch ##z = 2 \sqrt{3} -2i## in the Argand plane. What quadrant does it lie?
 
Tangent is not a "one-to-one" function and so arctangent is not "well-defined". In fact, you calculator should show you that tan(5\pi/6)= tan(-\pi/6). Which quadrant is (2\sqrt{3}, -2) in? Where are 5\pi/6 and -\pi/6?
 
I'm new to imaginary numbers so bare w me here...
z=2√3−2i in the Argand plane lies in the 4th quadrant...?

5π/6 lies in the 2nd Q. and −π/6 doesn't lie on any Q? π/6 lies in the first quadrant. What's the next step?
 
So if your complex number lies in the 4th quadrant, what is the appropriate argument?

Do you see how the other argument arises?
 
hun? I am don't understand what you're saying... If i look at the 4th quadrant of the trigonometric circle then wouldn't it be 11pi/6? which i guess is the reflection of the pi/6 on the x-axis?? as I've told you, I am not sure how to work myself around this yet
 
The trig functions, and so the polar representation of complex numbers, is "modulo 2\pi". That is -\pi/6 is exactly the same as 2\pi- \pi/6= 11\pi/6.
 
that makes sense. so i would guess that adding 11pi/6 or -pi/6 to something (pheta1 + pheta2) if i were to be multiplying to complex numbers in polar form then i would get the same result?
 
4[cos(-∏/6)+isin(-∏/6)]*2[cos(3∏/4)+isin(3∏/4)] = 4[cos(11∏/6)+isin(11∏/6)]*2[cos(3∏/4)+isin(3∏/4)] ?
 
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could someone confirm this for me? thanks
 
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Yes, the two angles represent the same point, but generally we choose the argument such that ##arg(z) \in [0,\pi],##or##[0,-\pi]##

This is why the book gives the argument -pi/6 in the solution.

The reason you got 5pi/6, which also satisfies arctan(##-1/\sqrt{3})## is because there we deal with ##z = -2\sqrt{3} + 2i##. So blindly computing arctan(..) without thinking where the complex number lies causes problems.
 

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