Surface area limited with two functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the surface area bounded by two functions, specifically $$g(x)=2$$ and $$h(x)=\frac{4}{4x^2+1}$$. Participants explore the process of finding intersection points, determining which function is on top within the relevant interval, and setting up the appropriate definite integral for the area calculation.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting by finding the intersection points of the two functions by solving $$g(x)=h(x)$$.
  • Another participant mentions utilizing the even symmetry of the functions to simplify the area calculation by focusing on the first quadrant.
  • Participants identify the intersection points as $$-\frac{1}{2}$$ and $$\frac{1}{2}$$.
  • There is a discussion about determining which function is the "top" function in the interval $$\left(-\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2}\right)$$, with one participant initially stating it is $$g(x)$$, but later correcting to $$h(x)$$.
  • One participant proposes a formula for the area that includes a constant $$C$$, which is later challenged by another participant who states that the integration should not include $$C$$.
  • Participants discuss the use of symmetry in the integral setup, leading to a formulation that reflects the even nature of the functions involved.
  • A participant shares a plot of the area to be found and inquires about the software used for graphing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the final formulation of the integral, as participants present differing views on the inclusion of constants and the setup of the integral. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact steps to finalize the area calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not yet completed the integration process, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the setup of the definite integral and the role of constants in the calculations.

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I have to calculate the surface area limited with two functions:

$$g(x)=2$$ and $$h(x)=\frac{4}{4x^2+1}$$

i was thinking first to calculate the points where this functions are intersecting by $$g(x)=h(x)$$ and to find corresponding $x$ for the intersection...and then to calculate definite integral somehow. Am i on the right path? Thank you for your help!
 
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wishmaster said:
I have to calculate the surface area limited with two functions:

$$g(x)=2$$ and $$h(x)=\frac{4}{4x^2+1}$$

i was thinking first to calculate the points where this functions are intersecting by $$g(x)=h(x)$$ and to find corresponding $x$ for the intersection...and then to calculate definite integral somehow. Am i on the right path? Thank you for your help!

Yes, you are on the right path.

You may also utilize the even symmetry of the bounding functions to find only the first quadrant area, and then double that to get the total area.

Have you found the first quadrant point of intersection?
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, you are on the right path.

You may also utilize the even symmetry of the bounding functions to find only the first quadrant area, and then double that to get the total area.

Have you found the first quadrant point of intersection?

So intersections are: $$-\frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{2}$$
 
wishmaster said:
So intersections are: $$-\frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{2}$$

Correct. Have you determined which function is the "top" function on the relevant interval?
 
MarkFL said:
Correct. Have you determined which function is the "top" function on the relevant interval?

its $g(x)$
 
wishmaster said:
its $g(x)$

Pick a test value for $x$ in the interval $$\left(-\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2} \right)$$. I would suggest $x=0$ for simplicity.

Which function is greater at $x=0$?
 
MarkFL said:
Pick a test value for $x$ in the interval $$\left(-\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2} \right)$$. I would suggest $x=0$ for simplicity.

Which function is greater at $x=0$?

Its $h(x)$, I am sorry.
 
wishmaster said:
Its $h(x)$, I am sorry.

Correct. Now, can you write the definite integral representing the area bounded by the two functions?
 
MarkFL said:
Correct. Now, can you write the definite integral representing the area bounded by the two functions?

$$S=\int_a^b(h(x)+C)-\int_a^b(g(x)+C)$$ where $a$ is $$-\frac{1}{2}$$ and $b$ is $$\frac{1}{2}$$ ??
 
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No, you want:

$$S=\int_{-\frac{1}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}}\left[h(x)-g(x) \right]\,dx$$

Since the integrand is even and the limits to integration also symmetric about the $y$-axis, we may use the even-function rule to state:

$$S=2\int_{0}^{\frac{1}{2}}\left[h(x)-g(x) \right]\,dx$$
 
  • #11
MarkFL said:
No, you want:

$$S=\int_{-\frac{1}{2}}^{\frac{1}{2}}\left[h(x)-g(x) \right]\,dx$$

Since the integrand is even and the limits to integration also symmetric about the $y$-axis, we may use the even-function rule to state:

$$S=2\int_{0}^{\frac{1}{2}}\left[h(x)-g(x) \right]\,dx$$

i will need some time to figure this out...
 
  • #12
wishmaster said:
i will need some time to figure this out...

Here is a plot of the area to be found:

View attachment 1722

Can you see the symmetry now?
 

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  • #13
MarkFL said:
Here is a plot of the area to be found:

View attachment 1722

Can you see the symmetry now?

I see,yes. Whats the software you use to write graphs?
 
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wishmaster said:
$$S=\int_a^b(h(x)+C)-\int_a^b(g(x)+C)$$ where $a$ is $$-\frac{1}{2}$$ and $b$ is $$\frac{1}{2}$$ ??
You haven't yet done the integration so there should be no "C".
 

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