Surface area of a Hypersphere?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the surface area of a hypersphere, particularly focusing on a hypersphere with a radius of 6 million meters. Participants express interest in understanding the formulas for surface areas in various dimensions, including the 4th, 5th, and higher dimensions, while grappling with the complexities of dimensional analysis and unit consistency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how to scale the surface area from a 3-dimensional sphere to a hypersphere, expressing confusion over the integration and dimensional analysis involved.
  • Another participant references the concept of n-spheres and provides a link to a Wikipedia article, which is met with skepticism regarding its clarity and usefulness.
  • A participant critiques the Wikipedia explanation, suggesting it lacks coherence and fails to clarify the application of π in the context of n-spheres, while attempting to derive a formula for the surface area of a 5-dimensional hypersphere.
  • One participant proposes that the surface area is the derivative of the volume with respect to radius, suggesting a formula for the surface area of a 4-sphere as 2π²R³, while referencing educational materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and usefulness of Wikipedia as a resource, with some finding it unhelpful. There is no consensus on the correct formula for the surface area of a hypersphere, and multiple approaches and interpretations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the correct application of formulas and the implications of dimensional analysis, particularly in relation to units of measurement and their effects on the calculations.

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I'm wondering how to scale up the surface area of a sphere of 6 million meters in radius, into a hypersphere of similar radius (i.e. a Hyper Earth). I would also like to know the ratio.


I would like to know the basic value in 4th dimension, but knowing values for 5th, 6th, and higher would be useful too. I attempted using something like pi^2*r^3 after badly integrating numbers that probably shouldn't be integrated, but then I got confused, because the units produced different surface areas. like if the unit is 1 Earth radius, then taking it to the 3rd, 4th, or 5th power doesn't change the output, and if the units are km, they produce a smaller change than if the units are meters, or nanometers. I got so lost on this issue that I decided to post here.
 
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Wikipedia articles are Gibberish, not informative. from what I got out of that they imagined Pi from thin air and then applied it to S_n(R) = S_n R^n and n-sphere in (n + 1)-dimensional Euclidean... which from what I am reading says n = 4 since that's my happy dimension to start with, and 4+1 = 5.

now I stick 5 in the n place, and get
Surface area of a 6e6m radius sphere is 6e6^5, which is about 68 on a decibel scale, times 5, which is about 340, or 1e34 times s sub 4 which for some unknown reason in 3 dimensions becomes 4 so uhh.. 8pi*1e34?

Now you know that's not the answer.

So how about a more sincere reply to my question than "go to wikipedia" ?
 
shintashi said:
Wikipedia articles are Gibberish, not informative. from what I got out of that they imagined Pi from thin air and then applied it to S_n(R) = S_n R^n and n-sphere in (n + 1)-dimensional Euclidean... which from what I am reading says n = 4 since that's my happy dimension to start with, and 4+1 = 5.

It's gibberish if you don't understand it.

In reality, the Earth is a 3-ball (volume is 3 dimensional) and a 2-sphere (surface area is 2 dimensional).

shintashi said:
now I stick 5 in the n place, and get
Surface area of a 6e6m radius sphere is 6e6^5, which is about 68 on a decibel scale, times 5, which is about 340, or 1e34 times s sub 4 which for some unknown reason in 3 dimensions becomes 4 so uhh.. 8pi*1e34?

Now this is gibberish!
 
I think the surface area is always the derivative (wrt R) of the volume, and the volume of a 4-ball is π^2R^4/2, I believe. so the surface area of a 4 sphere is let's see: 2π^2R^3?? see my notes for the epsilon geometry camp for bright 9 year olds, last pages.

http://www.math.uga.edu/~roy/camp2011/10.pdf
 
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