Surface Integration of a Cone (Sloped Surface)

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The discussion revolves around the surface integration of a right cone, specifically focusing on the parameterization of the cone's sloping surface and the determination of a function "F" for integration purposes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the parameterization of the cone and the implications for surface integration. There is a focus on understanding the role of the function "F" in the context of surface integrals, with some questioning the absence of "F" and its significance in the integration process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the parameterization and tangent vectors, while others are exploring the correct interpretation of "F" in relation to surface area calculations. There is an ongoing exchange about the integration process and how to validate the results obtained.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of surface integration without a clear definition of "F," which is causing some confusion. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the integration process and seeks clarification on proving their results.

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Homework Statement



Given Parameterization:
x = u cos [tex]\phi[/tex]
y = sin [tex]\phi[/tex]
z = u cot [tex]\Omega[/tex]

Find the sloping surface of a right cone with semi-angle [tex]\Omega[/tex] with a base radius of a.

Homework Equations



Surface area of a cone = [tex]\pi r\sqrt{r^2 + h^2}[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution



Solid angle:
[tex]\Omega = \int(r dS)/ (r^3)[/tex]

semi angle = (1/2) [tex]\Omega[/tex]

Cartesian Equation of a cone:

(x2 + y2) / (r / h)2 = z2

I understand the concepts of surface integration but I have not run across a problem where F was not given. I have a feeling that I am much more likely to run into this issue in the future and I would like to know what the process of determining F is.

Should I start by taking the div of the cartesian equation and then plugging in the given parameters (x,y,z) and integrating?
 
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It doesn't make sense to tell us that "F" is not given, when you don't tell us what "F" is!

In any case, if [itex]x= u cos(\phi)[/itex], [itex]y= u sin(\phi)[/itex], and [itex]z= u cot(\Omega), where u and [itex]\phi[/itex], and [itex]\Omega[/itex]is a constant, [itex]\vec{r}= u cos(\phi)\vec{i}+ u sin(\phi)\vec{j}+ u cot(\Omega)\vec{k}[/itex] so [itex]\vec{r}_u= cos(\phi)\vec{i}+ sin(\phi)\vec{j}+ cot(\Omega)\vec{k}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{r}_\phi=- -u sin(\phi)\vec{i}+ u cos(\phi)\vec{j}[/itex] are tangent vectors to the surface in the direction of "coordinate lines". The "fundamental vector product" [itex]\vec{r}_u\times \vec{r}_\phi[/itex] is [itex]-ucos(\phi)cot(\Omega)\vec{i}- usin(\phi)cot(\Omega)\vec{j}+ u\vec{k}[/itex]. The "differential of surface area" is the length of that vector times [itex]du\d\phi[/itex]: [itex]u\sqrt{cot^2(\Omega)+ 1}dud\phi[/itex][/itex]
 
The "F" I was referring to is the function inside a double or triple integral when doing a surface integration

ie

[tex]\int\int\int F dV[/tex]

With your help I believe that I have come up with the answer, however I am having a little trouble showing that it is correct.

A = (2[tex]\Pi[/tex])(Slope Height) / 2

after my integration I end up with the following:

[ ([tex]\Pi[/tex]a2)/2 ] (cot2[tex]\Omega[/tex] + 1).5

Which simplifies down to

[([tex]\Pi[/tex]a2)/2] csc[tex]\Omega[/tex]

Can someone give me a push (or shove) in the right direction to prove this equals A from above?
 
Wildcat04 said:
The "F" I was referring to is the function inside a double or triple integral when doing a surface integration

ie

[tex]\int\int\int F dV[/tex]
That's a volume integral, not a surface integral! The "F" you want to find the surface area, when dS is the differential of surface area is just "1":
[tex]\int\int 1 dS= S[/tex].

[/quote]With your help I believe that I have come up with the answer, however I am having a little trouble showing that it is correct.

A = (2[tex]\Pi[/tex])(Slope Height) / 2

after my integration I end up with the following:

[ ([tex]\Pi[/tex]a2)/2 ] (cot2[tex]\Omega[/tex] + 1).5

Which simplifies down to

[([tex]\Pi[/tex]a2)/2] csc[tex]\Omega[/tex]

Can someone give me a push (or shove) in the right direction to prove this equals A from above?[/QUOTE]
 

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