Surface temperature of a radiated plate

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The discussion revolves around determining the surface temperature of a material that is radiated by another material at a specified distance. The scenario involves a heated aluminium plate at 120°C facing another parallel aluminium plate, with the inquiry focusing on the conceptual and mathematical aspects of heat transfer through radiation.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the surface temperature of a second plate when radiated by a first plate at 120°C, emphasizing the need for a conceptual response.
  • Another participant suggests that the surface temperature would depend on the color and type of material, noting that darker colors absorb more energy, using the analogy of a white car versus a black car in sunlight.
  • A different participant requests a mathematical formulation for the problem, proposing to assume both plates are aluminium and to select values for reflectivity, absorption, and transmission, while questioning the applicability of Kirchhoff's law.
  • One participant raises a question about whether all radiation is exchanged between the two plates, noting that smaller plates may not exchange all radiation due to some bypassing the other plate, and suggests an assumption of infinite plates if the distance is much smaller than the area.
  • Another participant asks if the 120°C plate is maintained at that temperature indefinitely or if it cools as it radiates heat.
  • The original poster clarifies that the hot plate remains at 120°C indefinitely and specifies the dimensions of the plates, indicating that the assumption of infinite plates is not applicable in this scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors affecting the surface temperature of the second plate, including material properties and assumptions about radiation exchange. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mathematical formulation and the implications of the assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of assumptions regarding plate size, distance, and material properties, which may affect the analysis. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or the specific conditions under which the problem is analyzed.

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Hi,
I would like to know what is the surface temperature of a material when it is radiated from another material at a certain distance. In other words: I have a material at 120°C (aluminium) and another parallel plate of area A faced to the first one at 10cm of distance. What is the surface temperature of the faced material?
This problem is general, so all data (emissivity, room temperature, etc.) are free, I would like to have a conceptual response, my numerical data are only to example purposes.

Thank in advance
 
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the surface temp would depend on at least its colour and type of material

if it was a darker colour then it would absorb more energy and get hotter
think of a white car to a black car in the summer sun

other factors would also come into play

Dave
 
Hi davenn,
many thanks for the answer. Yes, I understand what you say, but I would like to know a mathematical formulation, so we can suppose aluminium for both materials and choose some reflectivity, absorption and transmission values (I don't know if the correct analysis is obtained by means of the Kirchhoff law (thermal...)).

Marco
 
Is all of the radiation from each plate being exchanged between the 2 plates?

For smaller plates not so, as some radiation from each will bypass and not strike the other.
An assumption of infinite plates can be made, if the separation distance is much smaller than the area of the plates.

See
http://www.chem.mtu.edu/~fmorriso/cm310/heat_lecture_20.pdf
 
Is the 120 degree plate kept at that temperature indefinitely, or does it cool as it radiates its heat away?
 
Hi 256bits and Matterwave,
thank you for the answers. The hot plate remain at 120°C indefinitely and the assumption of infinite plates cannot be made, because we have the following schema: an heater at 120°C has a size of 14cm x 7cm (hot plate) is faced to another aluminium plate (same size) at a distance of 10cm.

Thanks again,
Marco
 

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