Synchronous Generator Synch: Incoming Speed > Connected Generators

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The discussion revolves around the synchronization of synchronous generators during parallel operation, specifically addressing why the incoming generator's speed should be slightly higher than that of the connected generators on the bus. The focus is on the implications of speed differences on load sharing and phase alignment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the incoming generator must have a slightly higher speed to avoid a phase difference upon connection, as equal speeds would lead to reverse current and potential trip conditions.
  • Another participant elaborates that if the speeds are the same, the electrical counter torque will not match the mechanical torque, causing the new generator to slow down while the existing generators speed up, leading to a phase difference.
  • Some participants express agreement on the mechanics of speed differences affecting synchronization but do not provide additional new insights beyond reiterating earlier points.

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Participants generally agree on the necessity of differing speeds for proper synchronization, but there is some repetition in the explanations provided, indicating a lack of consensus on the clarity of the initial points made.

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The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how exactly the phase difference manifests or the precise conditions under which synchronization can be achieved, leaving some assumptions and details unaddressed.

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in a parallel operation of synchronous generators...while synchronising a new generator to a bus..why the speed of incoming generator should be slightly more than the other generators that are connected to the bus?
 
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Because as soon as the generator is connected it will take some load and will try to slow down and the already loaded gen. will try to speed up. If both had the same intial speed this will result in a phase difference after connection. A reverse current will flow into the new gen. and activate the reverse power trip.
 
Rippetherocker said:
Because as soon as the generator is connected it will take some load and will try to slow down and the already loaded gen. will try to speed up. If both had the same intial speed this will result in a phase difference after connection. A reverse current will flow into the new gen. and activate the reverse power trip.
how it will cause phase difference when the speed will be same? can you please elaborate?
 
The speed will not be the same. When the generator is connected it will provide power to the system and the electrical counter torque on the shaft won't match the input mechanical torque. The machine will slow down. The other machine will speed up, since it takes less load now. With them running at different speeds they will be out of synch. That causes the phase difference. I didn't really add anything to the first response but I think he is pretty clear. Does it make sense?
 
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FOIWATER said:
The speed will not be the same. When the generator is connected it will provide power to the system and the electrical counter torque on the shaft won't match the input mechanical torque. The machine will slow down. The other machine will speed up, since it takes less load now. With them running at different speeds they will be out of synch. That causes the phase difference. I didn't really add anything to the first response but I think he is pretty clear. Does it make sense?
thank you..
 

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