System of 3 Linear DEs in three variables-elimination

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The discussion focuses on solving a system of three linear differential equations through systematic elimination. The equations are Dx = y, Dy = z, and Dz = x. The initial approach involved rewriting the equations to eliminate variables, but it became clear that not all variables were present in each equation, complicating the elimination process. Participants suggest differentiating equations to facilitate the elimination of variables, specifically recommending to eliminate z from the second and third equations. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing which variables can be eliminated and using derivatives effectively to simplify the system.
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System of 3 Linear DEs in three variables--elimination

Homework Statement


Solve the given system of linear DEs by systematic elimination.

Dx = y
Dy = z
Dz = x

What I wanted to do is solve this like you would any other system of three eqns, so I wrote:

Dx - y + 0z = 0
0x +Dy - z = 0
-x +0y +Dz = 0

and then I attempted to take two of the equations and eliminate one variable and take another two and eliminate the same variable and then combine those two. But this doesn't work because in each equation only two of the variables are present. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



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The key phrase here is "systematic elimination"...let's look at your first two equations:

(1)Dx=y and (2)Dy=z...how could you go about eliminating 'y' from both of these equations? hint: what is D^2x? :wink:
 


bcjochim07 said:

Homework Statement


Solve the given system of linear DEs by systematic elimination.

Dx = y
Dy = z
Dz = x

What I wanted to do is solve this like you would any other system of three eqns, so I wrote:

Dx - y + 0z = 0
0x +Dy - z = 0
-x +0y +Dz = 0

and then I attempted to take two of the equations and eliminate one variable and take another two and eliminate the same variable and then combine those two. But this doesn't work because in each equation only two of the variables are present.
In other words, one variable has already been eliminated from one equation- part of your work has already been done! Just eliminate that variable from the other two equations. For example, if you decided to eliminate z, notice that z does not appear in the first equation. So you only need to eliminate z from equations 2 and 3: Dy= z and Dz= -y. As gabbagabbahey suggested, Differentiate the equation Dy- z= 0 to get "Dz" and replace "Dz" in the last equation.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



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Here's what I tried

eliminating z from the last two equations:

D^2y - Dz = 0
-x + Dz = 0

= D^2y - x = 0

Then I tried to add that to the first eqn.

-y + Dx
D^3y + -Dx

(D^3 - 1)y = 0
y = c1e^t + c2te^t + c3t^2e^t, but I know I must have done something wrong because y in my textbook has trig functions in it.
I don't think I am understanding what you are saying I should do.
 
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