System of 3 Linear DEs in three variables-elimination

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of three linear differential equations involving three variables: Dx = y, Dy = z, and Dz = x. Participants are exploring methods of systematic elimination to find a solution.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the system by rewriting the equations and eliminating variables, but encounters difficulties due to the structure of the equations. Some participants suggest focusing on eliminating specific variables from pairs of equations and differentiating to facilitate this process.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and guidance on how to approach the elimination process. There is recognition of the challenges faced by the original poster, and suggestions are made to clarify the steps needed for elimination.

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There is an indication that the original poster may be struggling with the application of systematic elimination and the implications of differentiating the equations. The presence of different forms of solutions in textbooks is also noted, suggesting potential confusion regarding expected outcomes.

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System of 3 Linear DEs in three variables--elimination

Homework Statement


Solve the given system of linear DEs by systematic elimination.

Dx = y
Dy = z
Dz = x

What I wanted to do is solve this like you would any other system of three eqns, so I wrote:

Dx - y + 0z = 0
0x +Dy - z = 0
-x +0y +Dz = 0

and then I attempted to take two of the equations and eliminate one variable and take another two and eliminate the same variable and then combine those two. But this doesn't work because in each equation only two of the variables are present. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



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The key phrase here is "systematic elimination"...let's look at your first two equations:

(1)Dx=y and (2)Dy=z...how could you go about eliminating 'y' from both of these equations? hint: what is D^2x? :wink:
 


bcjochim07 said:

Homework Statement


Solve the given system of linear DEs by systematic elimination.

Dx = y
Dy = z
Dz = x

What I wanted to do is solve this like you would any other system of three eqns, so I wrote:

Dx - y + 0z = 0
0x +Dy - z = 0
-x +0y +Dz = 0

and then I attempted to take two of the equations and eliminate one variable and take another two and eliminate the same variable and then combine those two. But this doesn't work because in each equation only two of the variables are present.
In other words, one variable has already been eliminated from one equation- part of your work has already been done! Just eliminate that variable from the other two equations. For example, if you decided to eliminate z, notice that z does not appear in the first equation. So you only need to eliminate z from equations 2 and 3: Dy= z and Dz= -y. As gabbagabbahey suggested, Differentiate the equation Dy- z= 0 to get "Dz" and replace "Dz" in the last equation.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



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Here's what I tried

eliminating z from the last two equations:

D^2y - Dz = 0
-x + Dz = 0

= D^2y - x = 0

Then I tried to add that to the first eqn.

-y + Dx
D^3y + -Dx

(D^3 - 1)y = 0
y = c1e^t + c2te^t + c3t^2e^t, but I know I must have done something wrong because y in my textbook has trig functions in it.
I don't think I am understanding what you are saying I should do.
 

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