System of Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around a system of differential equations involving the rates of change of two variables, x and y, with respect to time. The original poster is tasked with converting this system into a second-order differential equation for y and subsequently solving for both y and x as functions of time, given specific initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to differentiate the equations and substitute variables. There is exploration of the relationship between the second derivative of y and the variable x, as well as attempts to derive expressions for y and x based on initial conditions.

Discussion Status

The conversation has progressed with participants sharing their reasoning and approaches. Some have identified relationships between the variables and noted the need to differentiate y to find x. There is acknowledgment of confusion regarding the initial conditions and the resulting equations, but no consensus has been reached on the final forms of the solutions.

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Initial conditions for x and y are specified as x(0) = 4 and y(0) = 1, which are under discussion but have not been resolved in the conversation.

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Homework Statement



So my friend asked me for help because he assumed having a math degree meant I knew math :rolleyes:

[PLAIN]http://courses.webwork.maa.org:8080/wwtmp/equations/0e/c5a05957810916cfdff379ee0642fc1.png

(dx/dt=−4y and dy/dt = −4x)

Convert this system to a second order differential equation in y by differentiating the second equation with respect to t and substituting for x from the first equation.

Solve the equation you obtained for y as a function of t; hence find x as a function of t. If we also require x(0) = 4 and y(0) = 1, what are x and y?



Homework Equations



y(t)=C1e^(at)cos(Bt) + C2e^(at)sin(Bt)

The Attempt at a Solution



So I've tried a few approaches but I've failed. This is the approach I got the farthest with.


d^2y/d^2t = -4

you can then say r^2 + 4 = 0

b^2-4ac = 0 - 4*4 = -16

r = 0 +/- sqrt(-16) / 2 = +/- 2i
y = Ae^(0t)cos(2t) + Be^(0t)sin(2t)
y=Acos(2t)+Bsin(2t)
y' =2Bcos(2t) + 2Asin(2t)

If I solve for x(t) I end up with the same equation as y(t).
If you set up for x(0)=4 and y(0)=1, you end up with:

1=A
4=A?
I know this is easy but I'm just not seeing it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
 
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Shelnutt2 said:
This is the approach I got the farthest with.


d^2y/d^2t = -4

No, [itex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{dy}{dt}\right)=-4[/itex] but [tex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=\frac{d}{dt}\left(-4x\right)=-4\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex][/tex]
 
gabbagabbahey said:
No, [itex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{dy}{dt}\right)=-4[/itex] but [tex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=\frac{d}{dt}\left(-4x\right)=-4\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex][/tex]
[tex] <br /> <br /> Ah ok, I see.<br /> <br /> Now I get [itex]\frac{-1}{4}\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}[/itex] = -4y<br /> [itex]\frac{-1}{4}\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}[/itex] +4y = 0<br /> so,<br /> [itex]\frac{-1}{4}r^2 + 4y = 0[/itex]<br /> <br /> y(t) = C1 e^(4t) + C2e^(-4t)<br /> <br /> Now doing the same for x(t), I end up with the same equation of<br /> <br /> x(t) = C1 e^(4t) + C2e^(-4t),<br /> <br /> however given my initial values that can't be.[/tex]
 
Shelnutt2 said:
Ah ok, I see.

Now I get [itex]\frac{-1}{4}\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}[/itex] = -4y
[itex]\frac{-1}{4}\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}[/itex] +4y = 0
so,
[itex]\frac{-1}{4}r^2 + 4y = 0[/itex]

y(t) = C1 e^(4t) + C2e^(-4t)

Good..

Now doing the same for x(t), I end up with the same equation of

x(t) = C1 e^(4t) + C2e^(-4t),

however given my initial values that can't be.

[itex]x(t)[/itex] is related to [itex]y(t)[/itex] via [itex]y'(t)=-4x(t)[/itex], once you've found [itex]y(t)[/itex], you need only differentiate it once and divide by -4 to obtain [itex]x(t)[/itex]
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Good..



[itex]x(t)[/itex] is related to [itex]y(t)[/itex] via [itex]y'(t)=-4x(t)[/itex], once you've found [itex]y(t)[/itex], you need only differentiate it once and divide by -4 to obtain [itex]x(t)[/itex]

Thank you for leading me down the right path! I got it now :)

The solution was
y(t) = (5/2)e^(-4t)+(-3/2)e^(4t)
x(t) =(5/2)e^(-4t)-(-3/2)e^(4t)
 

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