T-cyclic Operator - linear algebra

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The discussion revolves around a linear operator T on a vector space V, specifically focusing on the properties of T-cyclic subspaces. The problem requires proving a relationship between two linear operators, U and T, under certain conditions related to polynomial expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of V being generated by a vector v and the relationship between the operators U and T. Some explore the direction of proving UT=TU under the assumption that U=g(T), while others express uncertainty about deriving g(t) when starting from the commutation of U and T.

Discussion Status

There are various lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants attempting to clarify the implications of the operators commuting. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of the T-cyclic property and the existence of a generating vector v, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take for the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of deriving the polynomial g(t) and the difficulty in understanding the implications of the operators commuting. There is also mention of the need to work from the assumption that UT=TU for one direction of the proof.

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Homework Statement


Let T be a linear operator on a vector space V, and suppose that V is a T-cyclic subspace of itself. Prove that if U is a linear operator on V, then UT=TU if and only if U=g(T) for some polynomial g(t).


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They suggest supposing that V is generated by v.
and choose g(t) such that g(T)(v) = U(v).

The Attempt at a Solution


I could get some coherent stuff for one way..

=> assume U=g(T), prove UT=TU.

first, {v, T(v), T^2(v), ... , T^n-1(v)} is a basis of V (thus V is n-dimensional).
U=g(T)
let y=U(x) choosem g(t) such that y = g(T)(v).

then UT(x)=U(T(x)) = U(T(a_0v + a_1T(v)+...+a_n-1T^n-1(v)) = U(a_0T(v) + a_1T^2(v) + ... +a_n-1T^n(v))
= a_0UT(v) + a_1UT^2(v) + ... +a_n-1UT^n(v)

then TU(x)= T(U(x))

(where x is a linear comb of basis vectors, x=a_0v + a_1T(v)+...+a_n-1T^n-1(v))

thats as far as i got.. =(

<=

the other direction is more difficult for me.. I'm not really sure where to get the proper expression for g(t) from at all.
 
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if U = g(T), then UT = TU is obvious, you don't need to worry about v's or x's or anything, it has nothing to do with V being T-cyclic, you don't use the hint, etc. For the other direction, use the hint. Since V is T-cyclic, there does indeed exist some v such that v generates V. U(v) is an element of V, and since v generates V, U(v) is indeed equal to g(T)(v) for some polynomial g. Let g be this polynomial. Now just show that for any x in V, g(T)(x) = U(x). Remember that in this direction, you may assume UT = TU.
 
Hi, sorry for reviving this old thread, but I'm doing the same question.. I know we can assume UT = TU for one direction, but I can't make out what that's supposed to mean..
The two operators commute, so am I supposed to work something from the fact that they commute? ( some property that makes them commute..)

thank you
 
I tried a couple of promising things, but I'm just blindly stabbing at it . How would I go about coming up with a plan for this? I need to know something about UT = TU... :S

thanks
 

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