T: What is the net work done by an Otto engine?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net work done by an Otto engine per cycle, focusing on the relationship between various temperatures and the work done during adiabatic processes. Participants are examining the equations related to the work done by the gas and the assumptions involved in the Otto cycle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the work done during adiabatic expansions and compressions, questioning the absence of a temperature term in the final expression. They explore the relationships between the temperatures involved and seek to express one temperature in terms of others.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the missing temperature in terms of the others, while others are still grappling with the equations and relationships. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the adiabatic processes on the work calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the Otto cycle and its thermodynamic principles, focusing on the relationships between temperatures and the work done during specific processes. There is a noted emphasis on deriving relationships rather than providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement


Show that the net work done by the otto engine per cycle is
Cv(Tc - Tb)(1 - Ta/Tb)

PV diagram:
[PLAIN]http://www.antonine-education.co.uk/physics_a2/options/module_7/topic_4/Otto_indic.gif

Homework Equations


Work done by a kmole of gas expanding irreversibly and adiabatically from
P1 V1 T1 to P2 V2 T2:
= (P1V1 - P2V2)/(γ - 1) = R(T1 - T2)/(γ - 1)

The Attempt at a Solution


The only work done by the otto engine is during the adiabatic expansions/compressions. So the work done by the gas from point A to point B is
= R(Ta - Tb)/(γ - 1)

Likewise, the work done by the gas from point C to point D is
= R(Tc - Td)/(γ - 1)

So the net work done by the gas will be
= R(Ta - Tb)/(γ - 1) + R(Tc - Td)/(γ - 1)
= (R/(γ - 1))(Ta - Tb + Tc - Td)
= Cv[(Tc - Tb) + Ta - Td]

Here I get stuck. I don't see why the answer doesn't have a Td term. Have I gone wrong somewhere?
 
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mclame22 said:

Homework Equations


Work done by a kmole of gas expanding irreversibly and adiabatically from
P1 V1 T1 to P2 V2 T2:
= (P1V1 - P2V2)/(γ - 1) = R(T1 - T2)/(γ - 1)
Since it is adiabatic, W = -\Delta U = -nC_v\Delta T

The Attempt at a Solution


The only work done by the otto engine is during the adiabatic expansions/compressions. So the work done by the gas from point A to point B is
= R(Ta - Tb)/(γ - 1)
= -nC_v(T_b - T_a)

Likewise, the work done by the gas from point C to point D is
= R(Tc - Td)/(γ - 1)
= -nC_v(T_d - T_c)
So the net work done by the gas will be
= R(Ta - Tb)/(γ - 1) + R(Tc - Td)/(γ - 1)
= (R/(γ - 1))(Ta - Tb + Tc - Td)
= Cv[(Tc - Tb) + Ta - Td]

Here I get stuck. I don't see why the answer doesn't have a Td term. Have I gone wrong somewhere?
Your work is correct. Can you express Td in terms of the other temperatures?

AM
 
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I'm sorry, but I still can't see how to find Td... Your equations seem essentially the same as mine.
 
mclame22 said:
I'm sorry, but I still can't see how to find Td... Your equations seem essentially the same as mine.
Think of W as Qin-Qout or Qh-Qc. What are Qh and Qc in terms of Ta, Tb, Tc and Td?

AM
 
What you have to do here is express Td in terms of Ta, Tb and Tc

To do that you must first determine the ratio of Ta to Tb (it depends on the ratio of V1/V2 and gamma). Then determine the ratio of Td to Tc (try to express it in a similar way). Once you do that you will be able to express Td in terms of the other temperatures.

For this cycle, the work can be calculated easily using W = Qh-Qc. Since a-b and c-d are adiabatic, heat flows only from b-c and d-a. Since it is isochoric, \Delta Q_h = nC_v\Delta T_{b-c} \text{ and } \Delta Q_c = nC_v\Delta T_{d-a}.

AM
 

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