Tangent Lines of Parametric Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding tangent lines for parametric equations, exploring both rectangular and parametric forms. Participants seek clarification on the derivation of derivatives, specifically dy/dx and d²y/dx², and how these relate to the tangent line at a specific value of t.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the tangent line can be expressed in both rectangular and parametric forms, requiring specific derivatives and points at a given t value.
  • One participant mentions the definition of dy/dx as the ratio of dy/dt to dx/dt, referencing the Chain Rule, but expresses confusion about its derivation.
  • Another participant clarifies that d²y/dx² can be derived similarly but notes that it is more complex and involves the quotient rule.
  • A later reply confirms the relationship between dy/dt and dy/dx, reinforcing the Chain Rule's application in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the Chain Rule to derive dy/dx, but there remains confusion regarding the derivation of d²y/dx² and the complexity involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of these derivations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the participants' varying levels of understanding regarding the application of the Chain Rule and the complexity of deriving higher-order derivatives. There is also a lack of consensus on the clarity of the definitions provided in the text.

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My book really doesn't go into a lot of depth but I was wondering if this is correct

If we are asked to find the tangent line of a specific value of t for a given parametric equation then we can find the equation of the tangent line in either rectangular or parametric functions.

Rectangular Mode
We need dy/dx and the point at the specific t value, say [itex](x_o,y_o)[/itex] is our point.
The tangent line is:

[tex]y-y_o = \frac{dy}{dx}(x-x_o)[/tex]

Parametric Mode
We need dy/dt, dx/dt, and the point at the specific t value, once again say [itex](x_o,y_o)[/itex].

[tex]x(t) = \frac{dx}{dt}t+x_o[/tex]

[tex]y(t) = \frac{dy}{dt}t+y_o[/tex]

Is that correct?

Also could someone explain how we derive dy/dx and d^2y/dx^2?
 
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Feldoh said:
My book really doesn't go into a lot of depth but I was wondering if this is correct

If we are asked to find the tangent line of a specific value of t for a given parametric equation then we can find the equation of the tangent line in either rectangular or parametric functions.

Rectangular Mode
We need dy/dx and the point at the specific t value, say [itex](x_o,y_o)[/itex] is our point.
The tangent line is:

[tex]y-y_o = \frac{dy}{dx}(x-x_o)[/tex]

Parametric Mode
We need dy/dt, dx/dt, and the point at the specific t value, once again say [itex](x_o,y_o)[/itex].

[tex]x(t) = \frac{dx}{dt}t+x_o[/tex]

[tex]y(t) = \frac{dy}{dt}t+y_o[/tex]

Is that correct?
Yes.
Also could someone explain how we derive dy/dx and d^2y/dx^2?
From the slope of the function to which the tangent line is tangent at (x_0, y_0).
 
Ok, thanks^^

EnumaElish said:
Yes.From the slope of the function to which the tangent line is tangent at (x_0, y_0).

I should be more specific:

My text gives this definition for dy/dx

"The Chain Rule states that the derivative dy/dx for the parametric curve is the ratio of dy/dt to dx/dt." But I cannot see where they got that from. They then go on to say "d^2y/dx^2 can be derived in the same manner". Could you explain it a little more, I'm a bit confused? >.>
 
Let D be the partial derivative operator.

If y(t) = f(x(t)), or with some abuse of notation y(t) = y(x(t)), how do you write Dy/Dt?
 
Feldoh said:
Ok, thanks^^



I should be more specific:

My text gives this definition for dy/dx

"The Chain Rule states that the derivative dy/dx for the parametric curve is the ratio of dy/dt to dx/dt." But I cannot see where they got that from. They then go on to say "d^2y/dx^2 can be derived in the same manner". Could you explain it a little more, I'm a bit confused? >.>
The chain rule. dy/dx= dy/dt dt/dx= (dy/dt)/(dx/dt). Saying "d^2y/dx^2 can be derived n the same manner" is little misleading- it's much more complicated. Notice tha they don't give that formula!

d^2y/dx^2= d(dy/dx)/dx= (1/(dx/dt)) d((dy/dt)/(dx/dt))/dt and you have to use the quotient rule for the last part.
 
EnumaElish said:
Let D be the partial derivative operator.

If y(t) = f(x(t)), or with some abuse of notation y(t) = y(x(t)), how do you write Dy/Dt?

Ah seeing y(t) = f(x(t)) makes it clear to me

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{dy}{dx}*\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]

Which we rearrange to get:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}[/tex]
 

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