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SticksandStones said:Why on Earth would I call someone "Mrs. So-and-So"
Don't ask me that one, ask your parents.
SticksandStones said:Why on Earth would I call someone "Mrs. So-and-So"
What's crazy is this isn't just freshmen. I've taken graduate mathematics classes as an undergraduate here, and you wouldn't believe how whiny some of these graduate students are. They have become accustomed to being handed some simple work which they can finish quickly and then get a decent grade with no extra effort. Attend a colloquium? You must be joking. No extra credit assignments? The horror. Read the book ahead of and after class to understand the lecture? Not happening. It's all really quite unbelievable.Moonbear said:How do you think it got so bad? Is it a lack of qualified teachers that students have given up on their teachers, or is it that the students had become so disrespectful that the teachers gave up on them first?
Moonbear said:This is not the ONLY one, but it is a pretty big problem and seems to be fairly common. Since I think someone in this thread already mentioned Piaget's learning theories, these students are still often at the concrete operational stage, where they expect a list of facts that they will memorize as facts. Their study approach focuses on that, looking at a page of notes and trying to memorize what is written there, but without really understanding it.
Moonbear said:The other issue is they are very much still passive learners, just sitting there listening to lecture without really thinking about what is being said. When I started lecturing in the course, I tried to remedy this by having a 10 min group exercise at the end of every lecture (so, in my hour of lecture, I'd give a 50 min lecture, and then a group exercise for 10 min). This group exercise forced them to immediately use the information that had just been presented...my reasoning is that if they have to discuss it with a group, they actually have to think over an answer enough to express it to the group, and can't just sit there not thinking and waiting for the few people who did to raise their hands and provide answers at the end.
Moonbear said:That is really quite sad, what you've described, and what SticksandStones has described in his elaboration of his problems with his teachers.
Honestly, I had no idea it was so bad!
Moonbear said:What happens in teacher's workshops and what sort of continuing education do they get? Is there a place for university faculty beyond the education departments to offer workshops to teachers to refresh and update their knowledge in our subjects?
Is that universal, or does it vary state-by-state?buffordboy23 said:I worked in the Pennsylvania education system. The last I knew, teachers are required to obtain 24 credit hours of continuing education within five years after graduation, or else their teaching certificate is removed until the requirements are met. Moreover, every five-years teachers have to complete 150 hours of continuing education, which can include workshops or college courses, or face the same penalty.
Another problem I see with the K-12 education with the mathematics/sciences is a lack of good resources. This is true particularly for textbooks. AAAS Project 2061 has given many of the middle school science textbooks in usage a failing grade; I think the same holds true for mathematics textbooks but can't say unequivocally. Unfortunately, this seems to be the backbone of a teacher's curriculum, since many schools (mine, for example) could not afford science kits backed by educational research. With all of the requirements placed on a teacher, especially new teachers, it can be difficult for them to find time to remove this crutch of relying on textbook.That's consistent with what I've seen posted around here from parents concerned about the books assigned to their students, and looking for supplemental materials. The topics being covered in the books seemed incredibly inadequate.
Do school districts still typically schedule teacher's workshop days into the school calendar? I'm wondering if this is in addition to those days, or if schools are no longer supporting this requirement. What I mean is that when I was a kid, a couple times a year, we'd have a day or two off from school as a teacher's workshop day. That meant teachers could participate in these required workshops without getting substitutes. If schools are expecting all time for teacher's workshops be done during hours when school is in session, and that they need to take time away from their classes and find substitutes to complete those requirements, then this seems detrimental to the students and a poor message to send to the teachers about how much the district really supports their continuing education.What did we do in the workshop? Well, first we had to take time off from our teaching duties, requiring a substitute for 3-4 days over the school year.
Moonbear said:Is that universal, or does it vary state-by-state?
Moonbear said:Do school districts still typically schedule teacher's workshop days into the school calendar? I'm wondering if this is in addition to those days, or if schools are no longer supporting this requirement. What I mean is that when I was a kid, a couple times a year, we'd have a day or two off from school as a teacher's workshop day. That meant teachers could participate in these required workshops without getting substitutes. If schools are expecting all time for teacher's workshops be done during hours when school is in session, and that they need to take time away from their classes and find substitutes to complete those requirements, then this seems detrimental to the students and a poor message to send to the teachers about how much the district really supports their continuing education.
I was certified 3 years ago for the state of Maryland. In Maryland I know that I have to take 6 credit hours within 5 years to maintain certification. I don't know if it's 6 credit hours every 5 years, of if I'll have to take more credits within the second 5-year period.Moonbear said:Is that universal, or does it vary state-by-state?
Originally Posted by buffordboy23 View Post
I worked in the Pennsylvania education system. The last I knew, teachers are required to obtain 24 credit hours of continuing education within five years after graduation, or else their teaching certificate is removed until the requirements are met. Moreover, every five-years teachers have to complete 150 hours of continuing education, which can include workshops or college courses, or face the same penalty.
Is that universal, or does it vary state-by-state?
buffordboy23 said:I don't recall. I'll have to research it. Tobias Funke, are your state standards similar to those in Pennsylvania?
mathwonk said:We want students who will try to get to the bottom of things, not merely ones who can compute accurately the area between two curves.
buffordboy23 said:Since you have had experience working with public school teachers, have you ever had the opportunity to analyze their abilities to construct proofs? I would guess that many teachers have skills that are inadequate, so our students should have no greater expectations for their abilities. Perhaps, this is something to focus on in future workshop seminars for math teachers.
mathwonk said:i try to give my students practice in simple reasoning grounded in their everyday experience; for example:
1. dr. smith's students have placed their hopes in his teaching skills.
2. those who place their hope in weakness are in deep trouble.
3. dr. smith has some of the weakest teaching skills in existence.
conclusion?
mathwonk said:i try to give my students practice in simple reasoning grounded in their everyday experience; for example:
1. dr. smith's students have placed their hopes in his teaching skills.
2. those who place their hope in weakness are in deep trouble.
3. dr. smith has some of the weakest teaching skills in existence.
conclusion?
What are some ideas on how to improve this?
Mathwonk said:The biggest task I have seems to be helping students learn how to learn. Some fail to come to class, others never look at the notes they take, and many seem not to even open the book.
What are some ideas on how to improve this?