Temperature and Mass Flow effect on Pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the effects of temperature and mass flow on pressure in a constant volume tank being pressurized using a standard pressure regulator. Participants explore how to quantify the contributions of mass and temperature to pressure increases and seek equations or models to predict temperature changes associated with pressure increases.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a theoretical model based on the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) to analyze pressure increases due to mass and temperature changes.
  • Another participant suggests using isentropic relations and the ideal gas law under the assumption of an adiabatic process to derive relationships between pressure, density, and temperature.
  • A question is raised about the applicability of these equations to an open system where mass is flowing into the control volume, noting that temperature and density are changing simultaneously.
  • A later reply asserts that the isentropic relationships still apply to the open system scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of certain equations to open versus closed systems, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the modeling approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of adiabatic conditions and the potential differences in behavior between open and closed systems, which may affect the applicability of the proposed models.

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Hello,

I am trying to create a theoretical model of pressurizing air in a constant volume tank to a pre-set pressure. We are increasing the pressure using a standard pressure regulator. From the equation PV=nRT I know that an increase in pressure at a constant volume can result from an increase in mass and/or temperature. In our model I believe the main source of pressure increase is due to mass increase, but I have experienced and increase of temperature due to recompression as well. Is there a way to determine how much of the pressure increase is due to mass flow and how much is due to temperature increase? And is there an equation or model I could use to predict how much the temperature of the gas will increase when the pressure increases a certain amount?
 
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There are models for this, particularly if you can ensure the tank is adiabatic (no heat transfer in or out of the tank). In that case you can treat the problem as isentropic and use the ideal gas law and the isentropic relations to get what you are after. For example, you know one form of the ideal gas law is ##p = \rho R T## where ##R## is the specific gas constant. For an isentropic process in an ideal gas, you have the following relationships:
$$\dfrac{p_2}{p_1} = \left(\dfrac{\rho_2}{\rho_1}\right)^{\gamma} = \left(\dfrac{T_2}{T_1}\right)^{\gamma/(\gamma-1)}$$
where ##\gamma = c_p/c_v##. That should get you where you need to go.
 
Will this still apply to an open system where mass is flowing into the control volume? The temperature and density are changing simultaneously. I have seen these equations before but I thought they were for a closed system
 
No it still works.
 

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