Temperature Below 0 at Depth: Find x_min

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The problem involves determining the depth below the surface at which the temperature remains above zero, using a temperature function that includes a cosine term and an exponential decay factor. The context is related to thermal dynamics and oscillatory behavior of temperature with depth.

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the temperature function and its components, questioning the role of the cosine term and the exponential decay in determining the minimum temperature at a given depth. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the temperature can be non-negative.

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Participants are actively clarifying the meaning of variables and the structure of the temperature equation. Some have suggested examining the minimum temperature at specific depths, while others are exploring the implications of the cosine function's range on the overall temperature behavior.

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There is some confusion regarding the correct formulation of the temperature equation, with participants noting potential errors in the original post. The temperature is stated to range from +10 to -5, which is central to the discussion about maintaining non-negative temperatures at depth.

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Homework Statement


Determine at what depth below the surface the temperature never falls
below zero.

Homework Equations


[tex]\theta(x)=\bar{\theta}+\theta_0\cos\left(\omega t-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)\exp\left(-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)[/tex]
where the average is [itex]\bar{\theta}=2.5[/itex] and amplitude [itex]\theta_0=7.5[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


At a depth x the temperature will be reduced by a factor
[tex]\exp\left(-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x\right)[/tex]
so for some ratio R
[tex]R=\exp\left(-\sqrt{\dfrac{\omega}{2D}}x_{min}\right)[/tex]
I'm having trouble figuring out what R is so that I can find [itex]x_{min}[/itex].
Any suggestions?
 
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Is theta the temperature? If so, you have something that looks like

[tex] \text{Temperature} = \text{const} + A \cos (\text{something}) \times e^\text{something else}[/tex]

You never want the temperature to fall below zero. The lowest value of the cosine function is -1. So ask when

[tex] 0 \leq \text{const} - A \times e^\text{something else}[/tex]
 
Hi
Theta is temperature. The temperature ranges from +10 to -5.
 
bobred said:
Hi
Theta is temperature. The temperature ranges from +10 to -5.

Thanks for clarifying. At the surface (x=0), the temperature is in that range. The exponential factor in the second term lowers the "swing" in temperature. Now you need to solve for the depth at which this swing is low enough so that the temperature is never negative. Have a look at the last equation in my earlier post.
 
Confusing myself, here is an example I have been looking at
exampleq4c.png
 
First, the equation in the OP isn't quite right. It should be ##\theta(x, t) = ...##, as shown in the later post. Pick some depth x. What is the minimum temperature that it can be at that depth?
 
Oops just noticed, the cos should include [itex]+\phi[/itex]
 

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