Temperature of Space: Atomic/Molecular Motion & Equilibria

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The discussion revolves around the concept of temperature in relation to atomic and molecular motion, particularly focusing on the temperatures of planetary surfaces without atmospheres, such as the lunar surface, and the temperature of interplanetary and interstellar space. Participants explore the implications of these temperatures and the conditions under which they are measured or understood.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that temperature is fundamentally linked to atomic and molecular motion.
  • There is a question regarding the meaning of temperature measurements for planetary surfaces without atmospheres, specifically whether these refer to the equilibrium temperature of the ground surface layer with solar radiation.
  • One participant suggests that the lunar temperature during daylight is the equilibrium temperature reached by the surface layer absorbing solar radiation and losing heat through radiation and conduction.
  • Another participant introduces the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) as a factor in determining the temperature of interstellar space, suggesting it has a temperature of 2.7K.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether interplanetary space can be described in terms of equilibrium phenomena, particularly for spacecraft traveling through it.
  • There is a discussion about the Voyager probes, noting that they have onboard energy sources (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators) that keep them functioning despite being in what is described as an infinite heat sink.
  • One participant emphasizes that solids also have temperatures and that thermal motion can be observed in solid materials through vibrations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of temperature as related to atomic and molecular motion, but there are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of temperature measurements for planetary surfaces and the conditions in interplanetary space. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly concerning the implications of these temperatures and the role of the CMB.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying temperature measurements in space and the conditions necessary for equilibrium to be reached. There are also unresolved questions regarding the effects of radiation and energy sources on spacecraft functioning in space.

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Temperature is atomic/molecular motion.

However, the temperature of planetary surfaces without an atmosphere are often quoted. For example, the temperature of the lunar surface ranges from about -200 F to +200 F depending on whether or not the surface is exposed to the sun or is in shadow.

But the moon has no atmosphere so then to what do these temperatures refer?

Are they the temperature of the actual ground surface layer in equilibium with solar radiation? That is, the gound surface layer absobs solar radiation and is heated but also loses heat through radiation back to space and conduction to lower layers. Eventually an equilibrium is reached. Is this the lunar temperature in daylight?

Also, putting quantum theories of the vacuum aside, can we talk about the temperature of interplanetary space? Or can we only describe a similar equilibrium phenomenon when a spacecraft is traveling through interplanetary space?

It would seem to me that interstellar space would be close to an infinite heat sink, as any object within it would radiate away all heat. Yet the voyager probes are still functioning.
 
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Frank Peters said:
Temperature is atomic/molecular motion.

However, the temperature of planetary surfaces without an atmosphere are often quoted. For example, the temperature of the lunar surface ranges from about -200 F to +200 F depending on whether or not the surface is exposed to the sun or is in shadow.

But the moon has no atmosphere so then to what do these temperatures refer?

Are they the temperature of the actual ground surface layer in equilibium with solar radiation? That is, the gound surface layer absobs solar radiation and is heated but also loses heat through radiation back to space and conduction to lower layers. Eventually an equilibrium is reached. Is this the lunar temperature in daylight?

The temperatures refer to the temperature of the lunar surface.

Also, putting quantum theories of the vacuum aside, can we talk about the temperature of interplanetary space? Or can we only describe a similar equilibrium phenomenon when a spacecraft is traveling through interplanetary space?

"Empty" space is filled with the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB), which has a temperature of 2.7K. So an object in interstellar space shielded from any stellar radiation should come into equilibrium with this radiation.

It would seem to me that interstellar space would be close to an infinite heat sink, as any object within it would radiate away all heat. Yet the voyager probes are still functioning.

The Voyager probes have their own onboard energy sources. These are Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators. (RTGs). This heat keeps the probes warm enough so that they are still functioning. They are still generating significant power. This is what Wikipedia has to say on that:

"One example is the RTG used by the Voyager probes. In the year 2000, 23 years after production, the radioactive material inside the RTG had decreased in power by 16.6%, i.e. providing 83.4% of its initial output; starting with a capacity of 470 W, after this length of time it would have a capacity of only 392 W. A related loss of power in the Voyager RTGs is the degrading properties of the bi-metallic thermocouples used to convert thermal energy into electrical energy; the RTGs were working at about 67% of their total original capacity instead of the expected 83.4%. By the beginning of 2001, the power generated by the Voyager RTGs had dropped to 315 W for Voyager 1 and to 319 W for Voyager 2."
 
Frank Peters said:
Temperature is atomic/molecular motion.

It sounds like you think that it takes gas or liquid to have motion.

Solids have temperatures too. You only need to touch a hot stove or a block of ice to know that.
The thermal motion of a solid's molecules can be compared to vibrations.
 
Frank Peters said:
However, the temperature of planetary surfaces...

But the moon has no atmosphere so then to what do these temperatures refer?
Your premise is the answer to your question!
Yet the voyager probes are still functioning.
What does that have to do with your question?
 
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