Space generators by temperature difference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of generating energy from temperature differences in space, particularly through mechanisms that exploit the stark temperature variations between sunlight and shadow. Participants also explore the potential for capturing atoms in space for life support systems and the nature of matter in the void of space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of using spinning gates to alternate between sunlight and shadow to create generators based on temperature differences.
  • Another participant mentions existing thermocouple generators used in space, powered by solar energy or nuclear batteries, and cites the Voyager spacecraft as an example.
  • There is a discussion about the scarcity of atoms in space, with one participant suggesting that capturing these atoms for life support may not be efficient compared to recycling existing compounds on board a spacecraft.
  • A concept is introduced regarding the Bussard ramjet, which suggests harnessing minute molecules in interstellar space for propulsion, although this would require large scoops.
  • Participants share links to designs that utilize concentrators, claiming they could be more efficient than solar cells, while also noting the reliability of solar panels and thermocouples due to their lack of moving parts.
  • Questions are raised about the nature of matter in space, with one participant clarifying that gas density varies significantly depending on proximity to stars and nebulas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement on the existence of thermocouple generators in space, but there is no consensus on the practicality of generating energy from temperature differences or capturing atoms in space. Multiple competing views remain regarding the efficiency of different energy generation methods and the feasibility of capturing space matter.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the efficiency of proposed designs, the exact number of atoms in space, and the effectiveness of capturing these atoms for practical use. The discussion also reflects varying assumptions about the density of matter in different regions of space.

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This is another theoretical question post of mine.

I read somewhere that there is a huge temperature polar opposite change in space just from shielding ie shadow vs. exposed to sun.

That was because of the absence of an atmosphere or "stuff to keep the heat"

So, pulling numbers from the air, it was like 300C or -200C if it was exposed to the sun or in the shadow.

I was wondering if one were to build generators with spinning gates (open/close) to let in light then not let in light.

Could you build generators from temperature change?

There is the added benefit of no gravity or little anyway

I apologize if I am missing major concepts, I failed thermodynamics after I got into the statistical portion which is not an excuse I basically temporarily lost interest in the subject and did not study.

So perhaps my questions may be deemed unworthy but just for the hell of it, I'd like to ask you guys your thoughts.

Also just to throw it in there

How much "scrap atoms" are there in space

Could you "capture them" in the void blackness of space?

I'm interested in gathering oxygen molecules and such from the outside and then processing them inside for use in life support and what have you.

Is there "nothing" besides dark matter/energy in space? Unless it is in a planet, nebula or galaxy?
 
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I believe they already do use these thermocouple generators in space. If not from the sun, then from the heat of a nuclear battery.

There aren't very much atoms in space (I don't know exactly how many, but I believe less than in an ultra-high vacuum). There's plenty of oxygen on board a spaceship. The problem is that it combines with other elements as we breathe. However, as long as we don't throw these compounds overboard we can recycle them by breaking them apart again. That's what life support systems already do. It's surely a more efficient way than trying to capture the almost negligible atoms present in space.

Although, the concept has been suggested for powering super-fast spaceships (see Bussard ramjet). I guess the idea was that if going close to the speed of light, even the minute molecules present can be harnessed for some form of space-jet engine. Still, the concept involved using kilometer or thousands-kilometer scoops. It was meant to work in interstellar space, which is even more void than close to earth, but still...
 
Lsos said:
I believe they already do use these thermocouple generators in space. If not from the sun, then from the heat of a nuclear battery.
Indeed. Voyager spacecraft are powered by these. So these have been used in space at least since the 70s.
 
GreenAce92 said:
Is there "nothing" besides dark matter/energy in space? Unless it is in a planet, nebula or galaxy?

The density of gas in space varies. Near stars and nebulas you generally have a much higher density compared to intergalactic space. (But still very very very low compared to Earth's atmosphere)

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space#Environment
 

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