Temporary adhesive needed for a page turning machine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a robotic page turner, specifically focusing on the materials and methods for temporarily adhering to and lifting pages. Participants explore various approaches, including adhesive materials and suction mechanisms, while considering the longevity and effectiveness of these methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using PDMS, noting its potential as a temporary adhesive but questions its durability over time when in contact with paper.
  • Another participant recalls a scene from a movie and proposes using air suction to turn pages, expressing skepticism about the longevity of adhesive methods.
  • A participant raises questions about the mechanisms that might cause silly putty to lose its adhesive properties, contrasting it with Post-it notes and considering the impact of paper fibers.
  • Alternative suggestions include using paste-up wax, which may have uncertain longevity.
  • One participant mentions the use of vacuum in existing paper handling machines, emphasizing the challenges of controlling adhesion and the maintenance issues associated with vacuum systems.
  • A participant proposes a novel idea of using a charge inducer to manipulate pages, acknowledging its speculative nature.
  • Another participant finds the charge inducer concept interesting, drawing parallels to how photocopiers operate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and practicality of different methods for turning pages, with no consensus reached on the best approach. There are competing ideas regarding the use of adhesives versus suction, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations, such as the durability of adhesive materials, the potential for suction to pick up multiple pages, and the maintenance challenges associated with vacuum systems. These factors contribute to the complexity of selecting an effective method for page turning.

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I am designing a robotic page turner and I am trying to determine the best way for lifting up a page. In my research I ran across an article that discussed using PDMS, the main ingredient in silly putty, as the most optimal material for creating a temporary adhesive bond with paper in order to turn a page. Is that the best kind of material, and what are the potential problems involved with this material? Would the adhering capability of this material significantly decrease over time after consistently coming in contact with paper?
 
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How did Jordan do it in the movie "Real Genius"? Looked like it worked pretty well.

How about using a small air suction thing to attract the paper for turning the pages?

Seems like an adhesive approach would wear out pretty quickly. Just try some experiments with Post-It notes to see how many pages per Post-It you can turn...
 
You're probably right about adhesive wearing out quickly. However, what would cause something like silly putty to "wear out"? I know that might sound like a rather dumb question, but isn't there quite a difference between these two types of materials? The Post-it notes have a strip of microscopic acrylic spheres, and continued use would cause the number of spheres on the note to slowly decrease thereby reducing its sticking power. But if I used a blob of silly putty, what adhesive aspect would be coming off over time? The only thing I can think of is that some of the fibers of the paper would clean to the putty and inhibit it from sticking to pages in the future.

I have considered using suction, but I was concerned about the possibility of picking up more than one page at a time. The thinnest type of pages in a book that I would be turning would be those of a paperback book. Could the application of suction on such a page draw in enough air through the paper to counteract the effect of the suction?
 
Something else that might work, although I'm not sure about its longevity, is 'paste-up' wax such as graphic artists use to arrange magazine pages (pre-computer).
 
Maybe use a roller + fan?
 
Let's look at an example class of paper handlers that lift paper:
inserters

These are machines insert folded paper into envelopes, like the bills you get from electric utilities.

They all use vacuum. No adhesives at all on any model I've ever seen. They require absolute control of "grab and letgo" How would you control the "letgo" with adhesives?

My take on this is if silly putty or something were even moderately practical somebody would have used it long ago and you would see it on this type of machine.

Manufacturers would love to get rid of vacuum. The main reason is that vacuum components like flexible lines and suction tips are a point of failure, do not have a fantastic MTBF and so require a lot of pre-emptive maintenance. Vacuum adds a big manufacturing cost up front and and complexifies maintenance greatly.

Pitney-Bowes would love to lose them I'm sure. If you found a product that could have adhesiveness turned off/on by EMF or delta voltage you'd be retired in a mansion on the beach right now.
 
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This is probably a wild idea, but maybe a charge inducer that could be turned on/off with an oppositely charged bar to move across the page. Although, it has a high chance of not working; its worth speculating. :)
 
Interesting approach. That's pretty much how photocopiers work, so the idea seems feasible. Good thinking.
 

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