Tension, Compression, Shear Problem.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving a solid steel bar with a hole drilled through it and a pin inserted. Participants are tasked with determining the maximum permissible tensile load in the bar, considering factors such as yield stress, factor of safety, and the geometry of the cross-section. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and application of mechanics principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the area of the cross-section with a pin and derived a maximum permissible tensile load of 125.35 kN, based on the yield stress for tension in the bar and the factor of safety.
  • Another participant pointed out that the shear allowable in the pin should be considered, suggesting that this may govern the maximum load, and provided a different calculation yielding 96.5 kN.
  • A later reply acknowledged a misunderstanding regarding the need to account for shear in the pin, indicating a potential oversight in the initial analysis.
  • Feedback was given on the clarity of the solution methodology presented by the original poster.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct maximum permissible tensile load, as differing calculations and considerations of shear lead to multiple competing views. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering shear in the pin, which may affect the overall permissible load. There is also mention of the complexity in calculating the area of the cross-section with the pin, which may introduce additional assumptions or dependencies on definitions.

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Homework Statement



A solid steel bar of diameter d1 = 60 mm has a hole of diameter d2 = 32 mm drilled through it. A steel pin of diameter d2 passes through the hole and is attached to supports.

Determine the maximum permissible tensile load Pallow in the bar.

-Yield stress for shear in pin is τY = 120 MPa.
-Yield stress for tension in bar is σY = 250 MPa.
-Factor of safety n = 2.0.

Homework Equations



σallow = σY / n

τallow = τY / n

In direct tension and compression:

Pallow = σallowA

If compression, and a pin is present:

Pallow = τallowA

Area of regular cross section in bar is area of circle.

Area of cross section with pin present requires additional steps. Because I do not have any images, I can only do my best to explain.

The area of a "circle with a core removed" (side view of a pin through bar), is

A = 2r2(α - (ab)/r2)

The Attempt at a Solution



It would be very hard to show my steps of determining the area, but I know the area is correct. I calculated the area of the cross-section with a pin to be

A = 0.0010028 m2.

This is after all the correct conversions and formulas to determine, as outlined in the appendix of my book.

I recognize that because this bar is in tension, the pin does not factor in. I use the equation:

Pallow = σallowA

Pallow = (250MPa / 2.0)(0.0010028)
Pallow = 0.12535 MPa*m2

0.12535 MPa*m2 * 106 Pa/MPa = 125350 Pa*m2

I know a pascal(Pa) is equivalent to 1 N/m2. The m2 cancels out, leaving

125350 N.

The solutions in my book says the answer should be 95.6 kN. My answer is 125.35 kN. I was wondering if the book was wrong, or if I'd messed up somewhere?

Thanks for any help. This is my first of hopefully not many posts. Any feedback regarding both my work and the format of my question would be appreciated! :)

D
 
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dww47 said:

Homework Statement



A solid steel bar of diameter d1 = 60 mm has a hole of diameter d2 = 32 mm drilled through it. A steel pin of diameter d2 passes through the hole and is attached to supports.

Determine the maximum permissible tensile load Pallow in the bar.

-Yield stress for shear in pin is τY = 120 MPa.
-Yield stress for tension in bar is σY = 250 MPa.
-Factor of safety n = 2.0.

Homework Equations



σallow = σY / n

τallow = τY / n

In direct tension and compression:

Pallow = σallowA

If compression, and a pin is present:

Pallow = τallowA

Area of regular cross section in bar is area of circle.

Area of cross section with pin present requires additional steps. Because I do not have any images, I can only do my best to explain.

The area of a "circle with a core removed" (side view of a pin through bar), is

A = 2r2(α - (ab)/r2)

The Attempt at a Solution



It would be very hard to show my steps of determining the area, but I know the area is correct. I calculated the area of the cross-section with a pin to be

A = 0.0010028 m2.

This is after all the correct conversions and formulas to determine, as outlined in the appendix of my book.

I recognize that because this bar is in tension, the pin does not factor in. I use the equation:

Pallow = σallowA

Pallow = (250MPa / 2.0)(0.0010028)
Pallow = 0.12535 MPa*m2

0.12535 MPa*m2 * 106 Pa/MPa = 125350 Pa*m2

I know a pascal(Pa) is equivalent to 1 N/m2. The m2 cancels out, leaving

125350 N.

The solutions in my book says the answer should be 95.6 kN. My answer is 125.35 kN. I was wondering if the book was wrong, or if I'd messed up somewhere?

Thanks for any help. This is my first of hopefully not many posts. Any feedback regarding both my work and the format of my question would be appreciated! :)

D
You forgot to check the shear allowable in the pin, which may govern. Note also that I get 96.5 kN as the max permissible tensile load in the bar, with a FS = 2.0
 
I've gone over the problem with a friend. I saw that I was supposed to account for the shear in the pin. I guess I misunderstood the reading.

Thanks for the help regardless!

D
 
Great, that was a nice clearly presented solution methodology.
 

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