Tension During Swing of Pendulum

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The discussion revolves around the tension in a simple pendulum system, where a mass M is suspended by a massless string and swings between angles of +/- theta_0. Participants are analyzing various statements regarding the tension T at different positions of the pendulum swing.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between tension, gravitational force, and the pendulum's motion. Some examine the conditions under which tension is maximized or minimized, while others question the validity of the equations used to describe the system.

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There are differing interpretations of the equations governing tension in the pendulum. Some participants have provided reasoning for their conclusions, while others express confusion about the application of certain concepts, such as the nature of forces acting on the pendulum and whether uniform circular motion principles apply.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the assumptions that can be made about the pendulum's motion.

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Homework Statement



The diagram shows a simple pendulum consisting of a mass M suspended by a thin, massless string. The magnitude of the tension is T. The mass swings back and forth between +/- theta_0. Which of the following are true statements?

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A. T is the largest at the bottom (theta = 0 deg).
B. T = Mg at some angle between zero and theta_0.
C. The vertical component of tension is constant.
D. T equals Mg when theta = theta_0
E. T is greater than Mg when theta = theta_0
F. T is smallest when theta = +/- theta_0

Homework Equations



T = (mv^2)/r + mg

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the above equation, the tension should be greatest at the bottom of the swing (v reaches it's maximum) and a minimum at +/- theta_0 when v = 0. Therefore:

A. T is the largest at the bottom (theta = 0 deg).
True: This is where v reaches a maximum so the tension will be maximum.

B. T = Mg at some angle between zero and theta_0.
False: T = Mg only when (mv^2)/r = 0, which occurs at theta_0.

C. The vertical component of tension is constant.
True: The vertical component is Mg which remains constant.

D. T equals Mg when theta = theta_0
True: v = 0 so T = m0^2/r + Mg ==> T = Mg

E. T is greater than Mg when theta = theta_0
False: Can't be true if T = Mg from above statement

F. T is smallest when theta = +/- theta_0
True: There is no velocity at +/- theta_0, so this is where T must be a minimum.

I've tried the above answer set, also with C as false (I wasn't sure if maybe the vertical component related to more than just Mg), but both attempts were wrong. If my pendulum tension equation accurately describes the above scenario, I'm not sure where I went wrong in my reasoning.

Thanks,
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Solved it using T = (mv^2)/r + mgcos(theta)

Just consider the velocity and angle at each point:
A: True. v will be the greatest and cos(theta) will be the greatest (1)
B: True. At theta_0 when the bob is released, v = 0 and cos(theta) < 1 so the tension will be less than Mg. At theta = 0, v will be at its max and cos(theta) = cos(0) = 1 so the tension will be greater than Mg. Somewhere between the tension will equal Mg.
C: False. The vertical component is greatest when theta = 0. It decreases as the bob swings to the left and right.
D: False. T = Mg somewhere between theta_0 and theta = 0.
E: False. T is less than Mg at theta_0.
F: True. At theta_0 T = mgcos(theta_0). As v = 0 at theta_0, mv^2/r ==> 0 at theta_0.

Hope this helps someone :D
 
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What...?

I always thought

T = -mgcos(theta) (i.e. the radial component of the Weight force)

in a pendulum... not T = mgcos(theta) + mac.

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T and the radial component of the Weight force cancel out. The only force acting on the system is the tangential (real word?) component of the Weight force:

Fnet = -mgsin(theta)

Besides I don't think the pendulum experiences uniform circular motion (tangential velocity is not constant), in which case ac = v2/r does not apply. Unless ac = v2/r applies to any circular motion and not just uniform circular motion. If it does apply, then:

Fnet = mac
= mv2/r​
mv2/r = -mgsin(theta)

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