Tension in a Mass-less String: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tension in a mass-less string, particularly in the context of a static mass hanging from it. Participants explore the origins of tension, its uniformity throughout the string, and the forces acting on different points of the string.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that tension arises from electrostatic forces due to atomic interactions within the string.
  • Others argue that the tension at the bottom of the string must equal the weight of the mass hanging from it, represented as ##mg##.
  • A participant questions why the tension must be equal at both the topmost and bottommost points of the string, suggesting that different tensions could exist without causing acceleration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if tension were not equal throughout, the string would accelerate towards the greater force until equilibrium is reached.
  • There is a discussion about how forces between neighboring sections of the string must be equal and opposite due to Newton's Third Law, but questions arise about the origin of these forces.
  • One participant seeks clarification on why the forces exerted by sections of the string on each other must equal the tension ##T##, suggesting that if they were less than ##T##, the string would stretch or break.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the tension must be uniform throughout the string. While some assert that it must be equal to maintain equilibrium, others contend that variations in tension could exist without causing acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of uniform tension.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Newton's laws to support their arguments, but the discussion includes assumptions about the mass of the string and the nature of forces acting on it, which remain unexamined.

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I get that tension in a mass-less string arises because of electrostatic forces which arise because atoms of the string are pulled apart. I also understand that it is equal and opposite in direction at all points because otherwise the string would accelerate infinitely. But what about the last point in the string which is in contact with the block? It has a tension T upwards, but what does it arise because of? Similarly, the topmost point in the string has T downwards. What does it arise because of? And why does it have to be T in both the cases? Can't it be different? If not, why?
 
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By "block" do you mean a static mass hanging from the string or a pulley from which the string is hanging?

If the former, the tension in the string is the equal and opposite reaction to gravity acting on the mass (block).

If the latter, the string is in continuous tension around the pulley (block).
 
Its the former. Yeah, I get that it is equal and opposite reaction to gravity acting on the mass. But why does it have to be equal to the tension that exists in the rest of the string?
 
For the same reason that tension is equal at every other point on the string - if it were not, that point of the string would accelerate in the direction of the greater force until equilibrium is reached.
 
MrAnchovy said:
For the same reason that tension is equal at every other point on the string - if it were not, that point of the string would accelerate in the direction of the greater force until equilibrium is reached.
Why would tension at the topmost and bottom most point have to be equal to the tension at the rest of the string? I think that they can be different and still the string won't accelerate.
 
The downwards force on the bottom of the string is ## mg ##, so this is the magnitude of the tension at the bottom of the string.

The downwards force on the support at the top of the string is also ## mg ##, so this is also the magnitude of the tension at the top.
 
Can you illustrate how this tension equal to ##mg## travels through the entire string?
 
Mentally divide the string into many short sections.

If a section is stationary, then by Newton's First Law, the net force on it must be zero.

By Newton's Third Law, the force that each section exerts on its neighbor must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the force that the neighbor exerts on it.

Note that in order to make the forces between all pairs of neighboring sections equal, you have to assume that the mass of each section is zero, i.e. the string is massless.
 
jtbell said:
By Newton's Third Law, the force that each section exerts on its neighbor must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the force that the neighbor exerts on it.
But why does each section exert a force on the neighbouring section?
 
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andyrk said:
But why does each section exert a force on the neighbouring section?
Because otherwise there would be nothing to stop the end attached to the weight falling to the ground.
 
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andyrk said:
But why does each section exert a force on the neighbouring section?

You're basically asking, "why do solids stick together?" Try asking Google that question. :biggrin:

(and then if you need any clarification, by all means ask here...)
 
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jtbell said:
If a section is stationary, then by Newton's First Law, the net force on it must be zero.
What do these forces arise because of? Pulling of atoms of the string? I want to know from where does this force originate from?
Also, that means the two forces on a section are equal. Let's call it ##T##.
jtbell said:
By Newton's Third Law, the force that each section exerts on its neighbor must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the force that the neighbor exerts on it.
Now the sections exert a force on each other. Why does this force have to be equal to ##T##?
 
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andyrk said:
Now the sections exert a force on each other. Why does this force have to be equal to TT?

If the forces became less than T, the string would stretch / break. If they were more than T the string would be getting shorter.
 

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