Tension? knowing friction. I have the answer but need explaination

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a ring attached to a string, where the string is pulled at an angle while the ring is in equilibrium. The problem requires finding the horizontal and vertical components of the force exerted on the ring by a rod, considering the coefficient of friction between the ring and the rod.

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  • Participants discuss the components of tension in the string and their relationship to friction and equilibrium. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the forces involved, particularly the horizontal and vertical components of tension and how they relate to frictional forces.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the components of tension and friction, while others express confusion and seek further clarification on the reasoning behind the equations presented. Multiple interpretations of the forces at play are being explored.

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The problem includes specific values such as mass, angle, and coefficient of friction, which are central to the discussion but not fully resolved in terms of their implications for the solution.

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Tension? knowing friction. I have the answer but need explanation :(

Homework Statement



A ring of mass 4 kg is attached to one end of a light string. The ring is threaded on a fixed horizontal rod and the string is pulled at an angle of 25◦ below the horizontal (see diagram). With a tension in the string of T N the ring is in equilibrium. (first image)

(i) Find, in terms of T, the horizontal and vertical components of the force exerted on the ring by
the rod.

The coefficient of friction between the ring and the rod is 0.4.

(ii) Given that the equilibrium is limiting, find the value of T.

=> Summary:
m = 4kg
angle = 25◦
μ=0.4

Homework Equations



F=μR

The Attempt at a Solution

(second image)

(i) R (→) Tcos25
R (up) Tsin25 + 40
(ii) The answer says Tcos25 = μR + 0.196T
Why? What is 0.196? My first thought was Tcos25 = μR but it appears to be wrong. Help please D:
 

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Giiang said:

Homework Statement



A ring of mass 4 kg is attached to one end of a light string. The ring is threaded on a fixed horizontal rod and the string is pulled at an angle of 25◦ below the horizontal (see diagram). With a tension in the string of T N the ring is in equilibrium. (first image)

(i) Find, in terms of T, the horizontal and vertical components of the force exerted on the ring by
the rod.

The coefficient of friction between the ring and the rod is 0.4.

(ii) Given that the equilibrium is limiting, find the value of T.

=> Summary:
m = 4kg
angle = 25◦
μ=0.4

Homework Equations



F=μR

The Attempt at a Solution

(second image)

(i) R (→) Tcos25
R (up) Tsin25 + 40
(ii) The answer says Tcos25 = μR + 0.196T
Why? What is 0.196? My first thought was Tcos25 = μR but it appears to be wrong. Help please D:
Welcome to PF Gilang!

It is .169T which is the additional friction force due to the vertical component of the string tension: μTsin25 = .4T(.423) = .169T

AM
 
Thank you. However, could you please elaborate? I'm still quite confused. Tcos25 is the horizontal component, why does it equal the vertical component?
 
Giiang said:
Thank you. However, could you please elaborate? I'm still quite confused. Tcos25 is the horizontal component, why does it equal the vertical component?
It doesn't.

The maximum force of static friction (ie. the maximum horizontal force that the string can apply) is equal to the normal force on the rod multiplied by μs, the co-efficient of static friction. That normal force is: mg + Tsinθ. So Fmax-horiz= μs(mg + Tsinθ)

So, the maximum tension is the tension whose horizontal component meets, but does not exceed, the maximum force of static friction. That is where your Tcosθ comes in.

AM
 
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