Tensor Covariant Derivative Expressions Algebra (Fermi- Walk

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The discussion revolves around the application of covariant derivatives in tensor algebra, specifically focusing on the expression ##A^u U_u = 0##. Participants clarify the notation used for symmetrized and antisymmetrized summations, emphasizing that full brackets do not indicate symmetrization. The confusion arises from the treatment of indices in expressions like ##\nabla_\nu (U_\mu U^\mu)##, where participants debate the proper application of the covariant derivative and the consistency of indices. Ultimately, the key takeaway is the importance of correctly identifying the components affected by the covariant derivative in tensor equations.

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I am looking at part a).

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I can follow the solution once I agree that ## A^u U_u =0 ##. However I don't understand this.

So in terms of the notation ( ) brackets denote the symmetrized summation and the [ ] the antisymmetrized, both come with a factor of 1/2, for a 2 indices tensors.
So I agree with the second equality if I were to ignore the parentheses, and I agree that the covariant derivative acting on 1 is of course zero for the last equality.

But I thought ##A^u## is such that the covariant derivative acts on the ##U^v## in that expression and that is it, once you multiply it by another vector eg ##A^u V^v ## the covariant derivative does not act on ##V^v ##, it does not act on everything to the right side? So I don't understand how we've changeed the parentheses as in the second equality (solution here: )

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What is
$$
\frac{d(f(x)^2)}{dx}?
$$
 
Orodruin said:
What is
$$
\frac{d(f(x)^2)}{dx}?
$$

## 2 f(x) d(f(x)) / dx ##
 
So ... what is ##\nabla_\nu (U_\mu U^\mu)##?
 
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Orodruin said:
So ... what is ##\nabla_\nu (U_\mu U^\mu)##?

Sorrry are the brackets here indicating the symmetrized sum or simply what the covariant deriviatve is acting upon?

Well I conclude that we have ##2\nabla_v U^u = \nabla_v U^u U_u ## (if the parantheses are indicating what the covariant derivative is acting on only), however this looks like nonsense since the indices are not consistent each side...
 
binbagsss said:
Sorrry are the brackets here indicating the symmetrized sum or simply what the covariant deriviatve is acting upon?
Full brackets never indicate symmetrisation. Also, the expression has no indices of the same typy (covariant/contravariant) that can be symmetrised.

binbagsss said:
Well I conclude that we have 2∇vUu=∇vUuUu2∇vUu=∇vUuUu2\nabla_v U^u = \nabla_v U^u U_u (if the parantheses are indicating what the covariant derivative is acting on only), however this looks like nonsense since the indices are not consistent each side...
You are missing one of the Us and your indices do not match because of it.
 
Orodruin said:
Full brackets never indicate symmetrisation. Also, the expression has no indices of the same typy (covariant/contravariant) that can be symmetrised.You are missing one of the Us and your indices do not match because of it.

I'm fully aware that is why my indices do not match but was trying to follow the f(x)^2 logic example, and here ofc ##U^u U_u ## denotes the ' ^ 2 ' so I'm a bit confused. ta.
 
binbagsss said:
I'm fully aware that is why my indices do not match but was trying to follow the f(x)^2 logic example, and here ofc ##U^u U_u ## denotes the ' ^ 2 ' so I'm a bit confused. ta.
Look at your expression in #3 again and compare it with what you did.
 

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