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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of a momentum flux tensor in the context of fluid mechanics. The original poster seeks clarification on a specific equation from a thesis that involves the derivative of the tensor and its relation to fluid properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the momentum flux tensor and its components, with some attempting to rewrite the tensor in a more simplified form. Questions are raised about the implications of constant pressure and the divergence of the velocity vector.

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Some participants have provided partial definitions and manipulations of the tensor, while others are seeking further definitions and clarifications regarding the variables involved. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions related to the problem, particularly concerning the relationship between pressure and density.

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There is mention of the assumption that pressure is constant and its relationship to density. The discussion also highlights the need for additional definitions and equations related to the velocity vector to fully understand the problem.

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Hi

I am reading about some fluid mechanics, when suddenly I read saw that someone took the derivate of a tensor. It is in this thesis, on page 26 eq. (70). It is the final equality I can't understand.

So the author is taking the derivate \partial_{x_{\alpha}} P_{\alpha\beta} of the momentum flux tensor. How on Earth does this end up giving <br /> \rho u_{\alpha}\partial_{x_\alpha}u_{\beta} + \partial_{x_\alpha}p<br />?


Thanks in advance for hints/help.
 
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You give us the definition of P_{\alpha\beta} and we will answer your question! Deal?
 
Shyan said:
You give us the definition of P_{\alpha\beta} and we will answer your question! Deal?

Sorry, here it is:

<br /> P_{\alpha\beta} = p\delta_{\alpha\beta} + (u_1^2, u_1u_2; u_2u_1, u_2^2)<br />

Here p is a constant and and u a vector.

Deal! :redface:
 
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Your tensor can also be written as P_{\alpha\beta}=p \delta_{\alpha\beta}+u_{\alpha}u_{\beta}.

Let \partial_{\alpha}=\partial_{x_{\alpha}}.

Then we have \partial_{\alpha}P_{\alpha\beta}=\partial_{\alpha} p \delta_{\alpha\beta}+u_{\beta}\partial_{\alpha}u_{\alpha}+ u_{\alpha} \partial_{\alpha} u_{\beta}

This is all that can be said without adding other assumptions.Only that \partial_{\alpha} p \delta_{\alpha\beta}=0 because p is a constant!

So,you should see whether there are other assumptions too or not.For example \partial_{\alpha}u_{\alpha} is the divergence of the vector u.It may be zero so we will have \partial_{\alpha}P_{\alpha\beta}=u_{\alpha} \partial_{\alpha} u_{\beta}(+ \partial_{\alpha} p \delta_{\alpha\beta}=0) which is near to what you want.But I don't know where that \rho comes from.Can you give the definition of u and also other equations involving them?
 
I'll check it out, but it seems p\propto \rho (from the thesis). It doesn't say anything about the gradient of u though.

Due to Einstein summation \partial_{\alpha}u_\alpha is the gradient of u, but what is u_{\alpha\partial_\alpha u\beta}?
 

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