Tensor multiplication 3 dimesnsions

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The discussion revolves around the multiplication of tensors in three dimensions, specifically focusing on the decomposition of tensors into symmetric and antisymmetric parts and the implications of these decompositions on tensor products. Participants explore mathematical expressions and relationships between these components.

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  • One participant presents a mathematical expression involving the product of two tensors, suggesting that certain terms can be expressed in terms of symmetric and antisymmetric components.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial decomposition of tensors into symmetric and antisymmetric parts but questions how a specific equality holds between different tensor products.
  • There is a suggestion that if a certain expression involving the antisymmetric parts equals zero, it would validate the earlier claims, although the method to demonstrate this is uncertain.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the cancellation of terms in the tensor product and the conditions under which certain expressions equal zero.

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Participants generally agree on the decomposition of tensors into symmetric and antisymmetric parts, but there is uncertainty and disagreement regarding the implications of these decompositions and the validity of specific mathematical expressions.

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Participants have not resolved how to demonstrate certain equalities or the conditions under which specific terms cancel out. There are also unresolved questions about the implications of these mathematical relationships.

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\begin{alignat*}{3}
A_{ij}B_{ij} & = & (A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]})(B_{(ij)} + B_{[ij]})\\
& = & A_{(ij)}B_{(ij)} + A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]}B_{[ij]}
\end{alignat*}
$$
A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)} = \frac{1}{2}(A_{ji}B_{ij} - A_{ij}B_{ji})
$$
Can I then say $A_{ji}B_{ij} = C_{jj} = C_{3\times 3}$ and $A_{ij}B_{ji} = C_{ii} = C_{3\times 3}$?
Therefore, $A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)} = 0$.
 
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Dustin, I think you basically solved it in line 1, since
$$
A_{ij} = A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]}
$$
(decomposition of the tensor into symmetric $(A_{(ij)}$ and antisymmetric $(A_{[ij]})$ parts), so
$$
A_{ij}B_{ij} = (A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]})(B_{(ij)} + B_{[ij]})
$$

But how does
$$
A_{(ij)}B_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]}B_{[ij]} = (A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]})(B_{(ij)} + B_{[ij]})
$$
? Thanks
 
wmccunes said:
Dustin, I think you basically solved it in line 1, since
$$
A_{ij} = A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]}
$$
(decomposition of the tensor into symmetric $(A_{(ij)}$ and antisymmetric $(A_{[ij]})$ parts), so
$$
A_{ij}B_{ij} = (A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]})(B_{(ij)} + B_{[ij]})
$$

But how does
$$
A_{(ij)}B_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]}B_{[ij]} = (A_{(ij)} + A_{[ij]})(B_{(ij)} + B_{[ij]})
$$
? Thanks

If $A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)} = 0$ which I am not sure how to show.
 
dwsmith said:
If $A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)} = 0$ which I am not sure how to show.

Yes nevermind I was looking at your solution backwards. Breaking up $A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)}$ into elements it all canceled out except
$$
\frac{1}{2}(A_{ij}B_{ij} - A_{ji}B_{ji})
$$
so if that equals zero we are good...
 
wmccunes said:
Yes nevermind I was looking at your solution backwards. Breaking up $A_{(ij)}B_{[ij]} + A_{[ij]}B_{(ij)}$ into elements it all canceled out except
$$
\frac{1}{2}(A_{ij}B_{ij} - A_{ji}B_{ji})
$$
so if that equals zero we are good...

Yup
 

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