Terrorist Attack hits London, City on Alert

[brewnog]

BT, I think it would be prudent to shut up, and keep your thoughtless comments to yourselves. Yes, people die all the time, no it doesn't usually make the news, and yes it's sad.

What is your point? That a terrorist attack shouldn't make the news? That it's to be put down to part of everyday life, and shouldn't even be discussed? Please keep your thoughtless comments to yourself, at least until people know that their families and friends are safe.

 

[Pengwuino]

Those who die from obesity were not murdered indiscrimantely by people they have no qualm with - they die due to their own inability to look after they're own health! It is you who needs a sense of perspective.

exactly! People die of cancer, people die of lung disease, people die falling on stairs, people die in car accidents. Accidents happen. But this was no accident. Its not the same as getting blown up from a bomb on your bus on your way to work.

As brewnog just said, this still must be talked about. Are you saying that everytime a bus blows up or maybe an airplane runs into a building, that no one should care and it shoudlnt be reported because "people die everyday".

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Latest news: # of explosions only 4... not sure if that's four in the underground alone or three on the underground and one on the bus, but it affected 7 stations.

 

[Pengwuino]

Theres 2 numbers being given out, 7 and 4. 4 probably is wrong because they both agree 3 bombs went off in the subway but I've seen at least 2 buses with bad damage.

 

[brewnog]

Theres 2 numbers being given out, 7 and 4. 4 probably is wrong because they both agree 3 bombs went off in the subway but I've seen at least 2 buses with bad damage.

It seems there were three underground explosions but people emerged from several different stations, where the ambulances picked them up. The figure of 7 was stated by the emergency services, presumably they counted each cluster of victims as an individual incident.

I've seen two separate pictures (taken from different angles) of the same bus, on which the fourth explosion occured. I'm not aware of a second bus.

In any case, irrespective of the number or severity of incidents, it's truly horrible, and only time will reveal how many peoples' lives have been ruined as a result of this mornings' events.

 

[Clausius2]

To go up? To what? Five dead? Wow, it would shock me if five people died in London. Although it happens every twenty-five minutes. I guess I get shocked easily.

Yeah, I'm not literally surprised that this is making the news. I am asking why people think stuff like this is important. Two people dead is not even remotely statistically significant. Move on to issues like obesity--now that is significant. Terrorism has a lot less chance of hurting the Western world than big macs do.

This is the biggest stupidity I have ever heard in this forum. I have been surprised of your lack of heart. I have been surprised how the hell there are prehistoric people like you on the Earth's ground.

The main difference between such ridiculous illness you have been come across and a terrorist bombing is that in the second case there are criminal people who takes away your innocent life because of unknown or political issues which are scarcely concerned to population. The death people in London were not politicians nor soldiers and have never used a weapon against Iraq. Also they don't manage the economic politics of G8. They were workers. And they have been indiscriminately assasined. That's the most terrible thing it can happen to a country.

 

[Pengwuino]

It seems there were three underground explosions but people emerged from several different stations, where the ambulances picked them up. The figure of 7 was stated by the emergency services, presumably they counted each cluster of victims as an individual incident.

I've seen two separate pictures (taken from different angles) of the same bus, on which the fourth explosion occured. I'm not aware of a second bus.

I read that first part right as someone on TV was sayen the exact same thing.

I saw 2 buses though i swear. I saw one bus with the top part blown off but it was verticle. I also remember way early that skynews was circling a bus that was on its side and the front half was blown off.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Yeah, I think the 7 came from explosions affected 7 stations. Some of those stations were close together though, and it is a tunnel after all. One bus as far as the news is saying.

 

[Pengwuino]

Well AP is saying 40 are dead now. Thankfully nothing more has happened. Everyone kept saying this was probably only the beginning.

 

[physics4ever]

My heart goes out to everyone in London. Hope everybody's friends and families are safe. When will these terrorist attacks ever stop? It seems like every time the world recovers from one, there is another attack.
Sunayana.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Nope, both Pengwuino and I were right. 7 bombs: three on the tube, four on a single bus... four explosions as a result.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Statement

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

 

[Pengwuino]

4 bombs on a single bus? Why?

 

[brewnog]

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

We should probably note that we don't know whether or not this is genuine, although it has definitely been labelled as being fairly credible.

 

[Pengwuino]

But did they every actually "promise" anything before?

Hopefully this will shut up the idiots who think the US is bad for calling Al Qaeda the bad guys. I think its rather obvious who the bad guys are after this...

 

[physics4ever]

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

Is this for real? Where did you get this from?
Sunayana.

 

[Art]

From Sky News

ATTACKS KILL 45, REPORTS

At least 45 people are reported to have been killed and 1,000 injured in a series of co-ordinated terror attacks on London.


Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the figures, which could rise, were from a reliable, but unofficial source.

He also reported that it is understood that seven were killed in the bus blast in Tavistock Square.

A previously unknown group calling itself "Secret Organisation al Qaeda in Europe" said it carried out the attacks as revenge for British "military massacres" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

London hospitals have reported a total of 300 wounded after a series of blasts hit locations across the city on buses and Tube stations.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said there was evidence of explosives at least two sites.

Scotland Yard has denied reports they were warned of an attack by Israel minutes before the blasts.

 

[Clausius2]

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

I wish all of them had a place specially booked in the Hell when they dead. I wish the Hell flames will burn them till the most intense of all pains. And then they will realize how wrong they were. The proper nature would have to eliminate them, they don't worth living between us.

 

[BicycleTree]

If you really want to talk numbers and statistics you have to compare not the simple (yet horrible) fact that people died, but rather how they died. The day before this happened, did anyone die of bomb attacks - no, the following day, even if only five people, died that's 5X the number that died the previous day. That seems very significant from a numbers standpoint, but tossing around numbers and stats really belittles that fact that innocent people died and that's wrong. I can see your point BT, but it's still in poor taste given the circumstances. My heart goes out to those who have lost in this unfortunate situation.

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

And vastly more people die of obesity-related illness than they do of terrorism.

 

[Pengwuino]

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

What kind of disgusting comparison is this. ITS YOUR CHOICE TO EAT UNHEALTHY FOOD AND NOT WORK OUT. Its NOT your choice to have a bomb blow up on your way to work. And very few people die instantly. Theres going to be probably hundreds more that will die later and after time.

 

[wolram]

You can not refer to the things that carried these attacks as people ,
pond scum is a better title, and i hope they rot in eternal
damnation.

 

[Art]

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

And vastly more people die of obesity-related illness than they do of terrorism.

Perhaps you should travel to London and vent your views to the Londoners. I imagine you will quickly become a part of your own statistics.

In your own sad, sick, twisted little brain you probably think you are being funny or smart but actually you are neither, you are just a piece of scum in urgent need of therapy.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Is this for real? Where did you get this from?
Sunayana.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[physics4ever]

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

And vastly more people die of obesity-related illness than they do of terrorism.

Why only obesity? Why not other illnesses?
And by the way, i would neither want to be fat and unhealthy all my life nor die of a terrorist attack. Death by obesity is something you can control. I could have considered your point if you had said something like cancer.
Sunayana
I completely agree with Art

 

[brewnog]

BicycleTree, if you are still not convinced of the horror of this morning's events, perhaps you would like to assist whoever have the tasks of wiping the blood splatter off the building opposite the bus bomb, explaining to a child that he's going to be blind for the rest of his life as a result of glass fragments having been embedded in his eyes, or giving CPR to that poor chap I saw coming out of the ambulance with head and chest lacerations, and what looked like an arm blown off.

Again, I respectfully ask you to keep your thoughtless comments to yourself.

 

[BicycleTree]

What kind of disgusting comparison is this. ITS YOUR CHOICE TO EAT UNHEALTHY FOOD AND NOT WORK OUT. Its NOT your choice to have a bomb blow up on your way to work. And very few people die instantly. Theres going to be probably hundreds more that will die later and after time.

You are yelling. Please remain civil.

Is it your choice to be subjected to advertisements of fatty foods, inducing you to buy them? Is it your choice to be born with genes that give you a slow metabolism or a tendency to be physically inactive? Is it your choice to be born into an entire culture of obesity?

In terms of which is the bigger killer, obesity or terrorism, there is no question--obesity. In terms of which is the more painful killer, obesity or terrorism, I don't think there's much question there either--obesity again, for the years of emotional pain for being fat.

Also, be rational. We're currently talking about seven people actually dead, and you're now talking about hundreds.

 

[Pengwuino]

Bicycle... i don't know if you actually understand what your saying or if you don't have a heart. You are actually saying what is now 40 people's death is absolutely meaningless. There is very little to be civil about. Maybe someone will hopefully murder your family someday and then we'll see how you feel about the idea that "oh well, people die everyday".

 

[BicycleTree]

BicycleTree, if you are still not convinced of the horror of this morning's events, perhaps you would like to assist whoever have the tasks of wiping the blood splatter off the building opposite the bus bomb, explaining to a child that he's going to be blind for the rest of his life as a result of glass fragments having been embedded in his eyes, or giving CPR to that poor chap I saw coming out of the ambulance with head and chest lacerations, and what looked like an arm blown off.

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

 

[BicycleTree]

Bicycle... i don't know if you actually understand what your saying or if you don't have a heart. You are actually saying what is now 40 people's death is absolutely meaningless. There is very little to be civil about. Maybe someone will hopefully murder your family someday and then we'll see how you feel about the idea that "oh well, people die everyday".

I have a heart that groans at human suffering. I also have a mind that knows where the human suffering is actually coming from, on the whole, and it is not terrorism.

 

[Pengwuino]

I have a heart that groans at human suffering. I also have a mind that knows where the human suffering is actually coming from, on the whole, and it is not terrorism.

So your saying if a thermonuclear weapon is detonated in Berlin, we hsouldnt care and it shouldn't be covered because hey, more people die from poverty or cancer or aids.

 

[brewnog]

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

Where is this mindless, angry reactionism of which you speak?

Please consider refraining from posting completely thoughless (and largely irrelevant) comments. If this incident isn't worthy of a thread, and compassionate discussion, then the disease you started a thread about the other day certainly isn't.

If I wasn't such a gentleman, I'd wish chronic axonal polyneuropathy upon you as a result of your misfortune, and then post "so what, people get ill all the time" all over your thread.

If you don't have anything helpful to say, please keep quiet. It would appear that this is the sentiment shared by everyone else in this thread; I suggest you take a hint.

 

[Clausius2]

I think Bicycle Tree represents the weakness of Occident. It is because of this kind of people we allow criminals to threaten us, and we are not enough brave to fight agains them. It is because unfortunately there are too many politicians who share the same naive thinkings.

 

[Astronuc]

I have a heart that groans at human suffering. I also have a mind that knows where the human suffering is actually coming from, on the whole, and it is not terrorism.

Funny, your posts do not seem to reflect that. To the people who have been injured or killed by the bombs (ostensibly caused by terrorists) and to their family and friends, terrorism is the direct cause of suffering.

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

Again, this event is significant to those who lives just ended or irrepairably damaged, to the families of the victims, and to the survivors.

Again, I respectfully ask you to keep your thoughtless comments to yourself.

Echoing brewnog.

BT, This is not the time and place of a discussion/debate on the cause of human suffering or the grievances resulting from such suffering.

Terrorism is NEVER justified. It is an unconscionable act of evil to attack unarmed or otherwise innocent people.

 

[physics4ever]

You are yelling. Please remain civil.

Is it your choice to be subjected to advertisements of fatty foods, inducing you to buy them? Is it your choice to be born with genes that give you a slow metabolism or a tendency to be physically inactive? Is it your choice to be born into an entire culture of obesity?

In terms of which is the bigger killer, obesity or terrorism, there is no question--obesity. In terms of which is the more painful killer, obesity or terrorism, I don't think there's much question there either--obesity again, for the years of emotional pain for being fat.

Also, be rational. We're currently talking about seven people actually dead, and you're now talking about hundreds.

Yes we are talking about 7 people dead. Would you go on and on about obesity if I mention disasters other than terrorist attacks? I could talk about the Tsunami. Or better still, something that happened in my city, an earthquake a few years ago in which more than 4000 people died, in which I saw buildings collapse before my eyes on my way back home from school, not knowing whether my house was still standing and my parents were alive.
I don't think somehting like obesity can even be compared with disasters like these, which happen all of a sudden, which you have no control over.
Sunayana.

 

[Monique]

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

The sense of perspective and rationality is that a city has been under attack. How can you claim that in a full light it is rather small and insignificant?

 

[brewnog]

Currently being reported by the BBC at an Emergency Services briefing:

8.51 am - An explosion at Moorgate East/Liverpool Street Station (100 yards into the tunnel) involving a Central or Circle line train, 7 confirmed fatalities.

8.56 am - Explosion between Kings Cross Station and Russell Square, 21 confirmed fatalities.

9.17 am - Explosion at Edgware Road station. Explosion on a train blew a hole through a wall, and affected another two trains on different platforms. 5 confirmed fatalities.

9.47 am - Explosion on bus in Woburn Square, fatalities have occurred but numbers have not yet been confirmed.

 

[Pengwuino]

No ones left underground... looks like things are coming back to somewhat normal shape

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

The Queen said she was "deeply shocked". Though that was probably at being woken up to be told.

 

[wolram]

The Queen said she was "deeply shocked". Though that was probably at being woken up to be told.

I think she is quite genuine in these matters.

 

[Knavish]

How can you even compare dying from obesity with this? These people here are being ripped apart even before their mind can even grasp it--and for what? For nothing. They were leading innocent lives, and they might have even eaten "healthy" foods, taking care of their bodies. Now they're dead for that. The obese, on the other hand, are killing themselves--it's their retribution for being unable to restrain their cravings. Death here is expected and, to some extent, justified. They know this. Everybody else knows it.
BT, you are hardly being rational (in fact, what you say is being callous and sick); the psychological disparity between the two makes statistics meaningless.

 

[Pengwuino]

Dont worry Knavish, Bicycle just wanted attention. No one coudl actually hold such sickening views on human life.

 

[Smasherman]

Whoa, I just got on a news site and read what happened. Frightening! After all the positive things going on in London, this had to happen .

I'm not good at writing my emotions down, but here goes.

The thought of losing someone I love saddens me. These attacks make me want to cry (or kill) when I think of so many losing loved ones.

I really wish some people wouldn't kill innocents to get a point across. I'm tired of all the senseless killing and I hope London and its people recover well.

Bicycle, terrorism may not be the biggest problem in the world, but disregarding the death of a few people (comparatively) because of the death of greater numbers is heartless. If you want to make a statement about obesity, please post a separate thread.

Your comments seem tailored to insight anger amongst the PFers against you. Please respect the emotions of others.

 

[Zygotic Embryo]

Hmm this is interesting.

It's not the way a terrorist acts, it's the fact that there doing it.

This pisses me off.

I mean, i could understand it's there way of life, and belief

but don't you think the 9.11 was enough

 

[Knavish]

BT, the only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that you or somebody you know is obese, and you're pulling a "woe is me" stunt. Stop. You can't compare human life.

 

[Moonbear]

I was a bit slow to getting to read the news today. My sympathies to the folks in London affected by this (that's probably everyone who works or lives or knows someone who works or lives in that city). It's the act of sick and cowardly people to sneak around taking innocent lives in such a manner. And I understand the fears you're all feeling as you try to confirm the whereabouts of those you know who take the tubes at that time of the morning. Rush hour no less...it could have even been so much worse, I hope the casualty reports do not continue to grow more than they already have.

Obviously, transportation is at a complete standstill right now. I don't know the London Underground well enough to know where these stations are. I imagine they'll need to send in crews to check all the tunnels for signs of additional explosives, and that could take a good deal of time, but once they get the all-clear on that, how crippled do the damaged tubes leave the system? Are there routes that can operate without using those tunnels, or are they major trunks that are going to keep all or most operations down until repairs can be made? I imagine a good number of people will be fairly well stranded in the city tonight, unable to get home from work. Beyond the human casualties, something like this also has financial casualties on the businesses that are going to need to consider closing or being short-staffed for at least a few days until transportation can be restored and their employees can get to work. Hopefully some semblance of function can be restored by Monday if everyone takes a long weekend off.

 

[Astronuc]

Here is a link to a map of the London Underground - http://www.afn.org/~alplatt/tube.html

It's not the official London Underground/Transport site, which has been overwhelmed by traffic.

Basically the attacks occurred in the center of London.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Certain lines being out of action probably won't cause too much of a problem. They usually are. And with 2012 confirmed, I'm guessing improvement to the Underground was probably going to be on the cards anyway. London will bounce back. Those who've lost loved ones will not, perhaps.

My worry about this is that it will incite racial hatred. There is a certain subset of the British population that will take any excuse to physically or verbally abuse people from ethnic minorities, particularly Arabic ones. It happened here after 9/11. It made me sick to be British. Well, it added to the long list of reasons that I'm sick to be British.

 

[wolram]

Obviously, transportation is at a complete standstill right now. I don't know the London Underground well enough to know where these stations are. I imagine they'll need to send in crews to check all the tunnels for signs of additional explosives, and that could take a good deal of time, but once they get the all-clear on that, how crippled do the damaged tubes leave the system? Are there routes that can operate without using those tunnels, or are they major trunks that are going to keep all or most operations down until repairs can be made? I imagine a good number of people will be fairly well stranded in the city tonight, unable to get home from work. Beyond the human casualties, something like this also has financial casualties on the businesses that are going to need to consider closing or being short-staffed for at least a few days until transportation can be restored and their employees can get to work. Hopefully some semblance of function can be restored by Monday if everyone takes a long weekend off.

Afaik, only Kings cross is closed, and a major part of the system is unaffected
so people will be able to get home may be later than usual.
I bet services will be near normal tomorrow, as the londoners give the pond
slime the one fingered salute.

 

[pattylou]

To go up? To what? Five dead? Wow, it would shock me if five people died in London. Although it happens every twenty-five minutes. I guess I get shocked easily.

Yeah, I'm not literally surprised that this is making the news. I am asking why people think stuff like this is important. Two people dead is not even remotely statistically significant. Move on to issues like obesity--now that is significant. Terrorism has a lot less chance of hurting the Western world than big macs do.

Terrorist attacks have ripple effects ---- Like wars with tens of thousands of people dead and no exit strategy.

Even if no one died, even if the attacks had been thwarted, a massive plan to attack the Tube etc is huge news.

 

[pattylou]

Certain lines being out of action probably won't cause too much of a problem. They usually are. And with 2012 confirmed, I'm guessing improvement to the Underground was probably going to be on the cards anyway. London will bounce back. Those who've lost loved ones will not, perhaps.

My worry about this is that it will incite racial hatred. There is a certain subset of the British population that will take any excuse to physically or verbally abuse people from ethnic minorities, particularly Arabic ones. It happened here after 9/11. It made me sick to be British. Well, it added to the long list of reasons that I'm sick to be British.

Yeah. I hear you. Not British, but this is why these attacks are so horrible - Nothing good can come from this. Nothing. And it could have been just a handful of people responsible - and there will be a global repercussions, and it won't be good.

The war mongerers will get a second wind from this, more racism, more ...

God.