Terrorist Attack hits London, City on Alert

[El Hombre Invisible]

Nope, both Pengwuino and I were right. 7 bombs: three on the tube, four on a single bus... four explosions as a result.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Statement

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

 

[Pengwuino]

4 bombs on a single bus? Why?

 

[brewnog]

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

We should probably note that we don't know whether or not this is genuine, although it has definitely been labelled as being fairly credible.

 

[Pengwuino]

But did they every actually "promise" anything before?

Hopefully this will shut up the idiots who think the US is bad for calling Al Qaeda the bad guys. I think its rather obvious who the bad guys are after this...

 

[physics4ever]

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

Is this for real? Where did you get this from?
Sunayana.

 

[Art]

From Sky News

ATTACKS KILL 45, REPORTS

At least 45 people are reported to have been killed and 1,000 injured in a series of co-ordinated terror attacks on London.


Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the figures, which could rise, were from a reliable, but unofficial source.

He also reported that it is understood that seven were killed in the bus blast in Tavistock Square.

A previously unknown group calling itself "Secret Organisation al Qaeda in Europe" said it carried out the attacks as revenge for British "military massacres" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

London hospitals have reported a total of 300 wounded after a series of blasts hit locations across the city on buses and Tube stations.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said there was evidence of explosives at least two sites.

Scotland Yard has denied reports they were warned of an attack by Israel minutes before the blasts.

 

[Clausius2]

Statement from the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe

In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."

I wish all of them had a place specially booked in the Hell when they dead. I wish the Hell flames will burn them till the most intense of all pains. And then they will realize how wrong they were. The proper nature would have to eliminate them, they don't worth living between us.

 

[BicycleTree]

If you really want to talk numbers and statistics you have to compare not the simple (yet horrible) fact that people died, but rather how they died. The day before this happened, did anyone die of bomb attacks - no, the following day, even if only five people, died that's 5X the number that died the previous day. That seems very significant from a numbers standpoint, but tossing around numbers and stats really belittles that fact that innocent people died and that's wrong. I can see your point BT, but it's still in poor taste given the circumstances. My heart goes out to those who have lost in this unfortunate situation.

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

And vastly more people die of obesity-related illness than they do of terrorism.

 

[Pengwuino]

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

What kind of disgusting comparison is this. ITS YOUR CHOICE TO EAT UNHEALTHY FOOD AND NOT WORK OUT. Its NOT your choice to have a bomb blow up on your way to work. And very few people die instantly. Theres going to be probably hundreds more that will die later and after time.

 

[wolram]

You can not refer to the things that carried these attacks as people ,
pond scum is a better title, and i hope they rot in eternal
damnation.

 

[Art]

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

And vastly more people die of obesity-related illness than they do of terrorism.

Perhaps you should travel to London and vent your views to the Londoners. I imagine you will quickly become a part of your own statistics.

In your own sad, sick, twisted little brain you probably think you are being funny or smart but actually you are neither, you are just a piece of scum in urgent need of therapy.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Is this for real? Where did you get this from?
Sunayana.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[physics4ever]

Would you rather be fat and unhealthy all your life and die of a heart attack at 50, or would you rather be healthy and die of a terrorist attack at 50? Death by obesity is worse than death by terrorism because it is not a quick death, but is drawn out for decades.

And vastly more people die of obesity-related illness than they do of terrorism.

Why only obesity? Why not other illnesses?
And by the way, i would neither want to be fat and unhealthy all my life nor die of a terrorist attack. Death by obesity is something you can control. I could have considered your point if you had said something like cancer.
Sunayana
I completely agree with Art

 

[brewnog]

BicycleTree, if you are still not convinced of the horror of this morning's events, perhaps you would like to assist whoever have the tasks of wiping the blood splatter off the building opposite the bus bomb, explaining to a child that he's going to be blind for the rest of his life as a result of glass fragments having been embedded in his eyes, or giving CPR to that poor chap I saw coming out of the ambulance with head and chest lacerations, and what looked like an arm blown off.

Again, I respectfully ask you to keep your thoughtless comments to yourself.

 

[BicycleTree]

What kind of disgusting comparison is this. ITS YOUR CHOICE TO EAT UNHEALTHY FOOD AND NOT WORK OUT. Its NOT your choice to have a bomb blow up on your way to work. And very few people die instantly. Theres going to be probably hundreds more that will die later and after time.

You are yelling. Please remain civil.

Is it your choice to be subjected to advertisements of fatty foods, inducing you to buy them? Is it your choice to be born with genes that give you a slow metabolism or a tendency to be physically inactive? Is it your choice to be born into an entire culture of obesity?

In terms of which is the bigger killer, obesity or terrorism, there is no question--obesity. In terms of which is the more painful killer, obesity or terrorism, I don't think there's much question there either--obesity again, for the years of emotional pain for being fat.

Also, be rational. We're currently talking about seven people actually dead, and you're now talking about hundreds.

 

[Pengwuino]

Bicycle... i don't know if you actually understand what your saying or if you don't have a heart. You are actually saying what is now 40 people's death is absolutely meaningless. There is very little to be civil about. Maybe someone will hopefully murder your family someday and then we'll see how you feel about the idea that "oh well, people die everyday".

 

[BicycleTree]

BicycleTree, if you are still not convinced of the horror of this morning's events, perhaps you would like to assist whoever have the tasks of wiping the blood splatter off the building opposite the bus bomb, explaining to a child that he's going to be blind for the rest of his life as a result of glass fragments having been embedded in his eyes, or giving CPR to that poor chap I saw coming out of the ambulance with head and chest lacerations, and what looked like an arm blown off.

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

 

[BicycleTree]

Bicycle... i don't know if you actually understand what your saying or if you don't have a heart. You are actually saying what is now 40 people's death is absolutely meaningless. There is very little to be civil about. Maybe someone will hopefully murder your family someday and then we'll see how you feel about the idea that "oh well, people die everyday".

I have a heart that groans at human suffering. I also have a mind that knows where the human suffering is actually coming from, on the whole, and it is not terrorism.

 

[Pengwuino]

I have a heart that groans at human suffering. I also have a mind that knows where the human suffering is actually coming from, on the whole, and it is not terrorism.

So your saying if a thermonuclear weapon is detonated in Berlin, we hsouldnt care and it shouldn't be covered because hey, more people die from poverty or cancer or aids.

 

[brewnog]

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

Where is this mindless, angry reactionism of which you speak?

Please consider refraining from posting completely thoughless (and largely irrelevant) comments. If this incident isn't worthy of a thread, and compassionate discussion, then the disease you started a thread about the other day certainly isn't.

If I wasn't such a gentleman, I'd wish chronic axonal polyneuropathy upon you as a result of your misfortune, and then post "so what, people get ill all the time" all over your thread.

If you don't have anything helpful to say, please keep quiet. It would appear that this is the sentiment shared by everyone else in this thread; I suggest you take a hint.

 

[Clausius2]

I think Bicycle Tree represents the weakness of Occident. It is because of this kind of people we allow criminals to threaten us, and we are not enough brave to fight agains them. It is because unfortunately there are too many politicians who share the same naive thinkings.

 

[Astronuc]

I have a heart that groans at human suffering. I also have a mind that knows where the human suffering is actually coming from, on the whole, and it is not terrorism.

Funny, your posts do not seem to reflect that. To the people who have been injured or killed by the bombs (ostensibly caused by terrorists) and to their family and friends, terrorism is the direct cause of suffering.

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

Again, this event is significant to those who lives just ended or irrepairably damaged, to the families of the victims, and to the survivors.

Again, I respectfully ask you to keep your thoughtless comments to yourself.

Echoing brewnog.

BT, This is not the time and place of a discussion/debate on the cause of human suffering or the grievances resulting from such suffering.

Terrorism is NEVER justified. It is an unconscionable act of evil to attack unarmed or otherwise innocent people.

 

[physics4ever]

You are yelling. Please remain civil.

Is it your choice to be subjected to advertisements of fatty foods, inducing you to buy them? Is it your choice to be born with genes that give you a slow metabolism or a tendency to be physically inactive? Is it your choice to be born into an entire culture of obesity?

In terms of which is the bigger killer, obesity or terrorism, there is no question--obesity. In terms of which is the more painful killer, obesity or terrorism, I don't think there's much question there either--obesity again, for the years of emotional pain for being fat.

Also, be rational. We're currently talking about seven people actually dead, and you're now talking about hundreds.

Yes we are talking about 7 people dead. Would you go on and on about obesity if I mention disasters other than terrorist attacks? I could talk about the Tsunami. Or better still, something that happened in my city, an earthquake a few years ago in which more than 4000 people died, in which I saw buildings collapse before my eyes on my way back home from school, not knowing whether my house was still standing and my parents were alive.
I don't think somehting like obesity can even be compared with disasters like these, which happen all of a sudden, which you have no control over.
Sunayana.

 

[Monique]

They were horrible to those who went through them. I am only looking for a sense of perspective and rationality, instead of mindless angry reactionism against a threat that is in full light rather small and insignificant.

The sense of perspective and rationality is that a city has been under attack. How can you claim that in a full light it is rather small and insignificant?

 

[brewnog]

Currently being reported by the BBC at an Emergency Services briefing:

8.51 am - An explosion at Moorgate East/Liverpool Street Station (100 yards into the tunnel) involving a Central or Circle line train, 7 confirmed fatalities.

8.56 am - Explosion between Kings Cross Station and Russell Square, 21 confirmed fatalities.

9.17 am - Explosion at Edgware Road station. Explosion on a train blew a hole through a wall, and affected another two trains on different platforms. 5 confirmed fatalities.

9.47 am - Explosion on bus in Woburn Square, fatalities have occurred but numbers have not yet been confirmed.

 

[Pengwuino]

No ones left underground... looks like things are coming back to somewhat normal shape

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

The Queen said she was "deeply shocked". Though that was probably at being woken up to be told.

 

[wolram]

The Queen said she was "deeply shocked". Though that was probably at being woken up to be told.

I think she is quite genuine in these matters.

 

[Knavish]

How can you even compare dying from obesity with this? These people here are being ripped apart even before their mind can even grasp it--and for what? For nothing. They were leading innocent lives, and they might have even eaten "healthy" foods, taking care of their bodies. Now they're dead for that. The obese, on the other hand, are killing themselves--it's their retribution for being unable to restrain their cravings. Death here is expected and, to some extent, justified. They know this. Everybody else knows it.
BT, you are hardly being rational (in fact, what you say is being callous and sick); the psychological disparity between the two makes statistics meaningless.