The Age of Plate Tectonics: When Did It Begin?

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The discussion revolves around the origins and timeline of plate tectonics, exploring when it began and its implications for both Earth and Mars. Participants examine various hypotheses and evidence related to the early Earth and the geological history of Mars.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that plate tectonics may have started as early as 4 billion years ago, referencing new ideas about the Hadean era and associated scientific literature.
  • Others propose that plate tectonics could have developed gradually, with localized processes such as subduction occurring in specific regions like the south Pacific.
  • There is a consideration of Mars as a contrasting case, with some arguing that it may never have developed plate tectonics, while others assert that it likely had plate tectonics in its early history but has since cooled and lost the necessary convection.
  • One participant discusses the implications of Mars' geological features, such as Olympus Mons and Vallis Marineris, as potential evidence for the absence of plate motion on the planet.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the differences in heat engines between Earth and Mars, suggesting that Mars' smaller mass may not support the necessary conditions for plate tectonics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the timeline and existence of plate tectonics on both Earth and Mars, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying interpretations of geological evidence and assumptions about planetary heat dynamics, which may influence conclusions about the presence or absence of plate tectonics.

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When did plate tectonics start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics"
 
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zankaon said:
When did plate tectonics start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics"

That's a bit of an open question; but it seems there are indications that it began very early; as much as 4 billion years ago. This is associated with new ideas about the "Hadean" (Hellish) era; it may not have been as diabolical as previously thought.

Here's an article from the NYT which discusses these ideas: A New Picture of the Early Earth. The relevant science article is
  • Hopkins, M. et. al. (2008) "Low heat flow inferred from >4 Gyr zircons suggests Hadean plate boundary interactions" in Nature 456, 493-496 (27 November 2008) doi:10.1038/nature07465

Cheers -- sylas
 
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zankaon said:
When did plate tectonics start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics"

Perhaps a little at a time. Might south Pacific, with any example of colliding oceanic crust, with subducting, be suggestive? That is for 2 Archean brittle pieces colliding, with one somewhat cooler, and hence denser, might subduction occur? Might such localized process be occurring planet wide? Of course one could have ongoing mantle differentiating.
 
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zankaon said:
When did plate tectonics start? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics"

Is perhaps Mars an example wherein plate tectonics never started? Might any uniformity (i.e. no layering) to Vallis Marineris walls be consistent with no plate tectonics there? Is Mar's major volcano Olympus Mons consistent with no plate motion on Mars? Might uniqueness of 1 major volcano on Mars relate to uniqueness of Hawaiian plume? That is, might respective persistence suggest an ancient impact, and ongoing active deep conduit system? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars"
 
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zankaon said:
Is perhaps Mars an example wherein plate tectonics never started?

Actually, Mars likely did have plate tectonics when it was young with a significantly molten interior. However, since Mars is so much smaller than earth, it has cooled off and there is no longer the convection necessary to move the plates.

NASA scientists have discovered additional evidence that Mars once underwent plate tectonics, slow movement of the planet's crust, like the present-day Earth. A new map of Mars' magnetic field made by the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft reveals a world whose history was shaped by great crustal plates being pulled apart or smashed together.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2005/mgs_plates.html
 
If one thinks of Earth and Mars as heat engines, then the work they try to do is force x distance. In other words, resulting in plate motion. However the Mars heat engine (.3 Earth mass) would not seem sufficient to result in plate motion. The very large size of Olympus Mons would seem consistent with no plate motion.
 
... it would need to be correct or.. no cigar.
 

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