The average density of the gasoline in the steel gas can is 806 kg/m^3.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average density of a full steel gas can containing gasoline, considering both the mass of the can and the gasoline. Participants explore the necessary steps to set up the problem, including volume conversions and density calculations.

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  • One participant presents the initial problem and provides the mass of the steel gas can and the volume of gasoline, questioning how to set up the calculation.
  • Another participant asserts that the total volume of the can must exceed the volume of gasoline alone, suggesting a density for the steel can to calculate its volume.
  • Multiple participants calculate the volume of the steel can based on its mass and density, arriving at different interpretations of the volume.
  • Participants convert the volume of gasoline from liters to cubic meters, with some providing detailed calculations for clarity.
  • There is a calculation of the mass of gasoline based on its density and volume, leading to further calculations of total mass and density of the gas can when full.
  • One participant summarizes the total mass of the gasoline and the steel can, leading to a calculation of the average density of the full gas can.

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Participants generally agree on the method of calculating the density, but there are discrepancies in the intermediate volume calculations and interpretations of the results. No consensus is reached on the exact volume of the steel can or the final density calculation.

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Some calculations depend on assumptions about the density of the steel and the conversion factors used for volume. There are unresolved steps in the calculations that could affect the final results.

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Dear Everybody,

A 2.80 kg steel gas can holds 20 L of gasoline when full. What's the average density (in kg/m^3) of full gas can, taking into the volume occupied by steel as well as by gasoline?

Work:

Given
the mass of the steel gas can= 2.80 kg
The Total Volume of Gas can= 20.0 L
The density of the gasoline= 680 kg/m^3

$\rho=\frac{m}{Volume of the gasoline}$

How to setup the problem?

Thanks
Cbarker1
 
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Obviously, if the can holds 20.0 L of gasoline, then the total volume of the can must be greater than 20.0 L. Let's assume that the can is made of stainless steel with a mass density of 8000 kg/m³. What would the volume of the given mass of steel be?
 
MarkFL said:
Obviously, if the can holds 20.0 L of gasoline, then the total volume of the can must be greater than 20.0 L. Let's assume that the can is made of stainless steel with a mass density of 8000 kg/m³. What would the volume of the given mass of steel be?

the volume is 2857.14 m^3.
 
Cbarker1 said:
the volume is 2857.14 m^3.

I think you have the volume inverted...I would write:

$$V=\frac{m}{\rho}=\frac{2.80\text{ kg}}{8000\,\dfrac{\text{kg}}{\text{m}^3}}=\frac{7}{20000}\text{ m}^3$$

Okay, now we need to convert the 20.0 L of gasoline into m³. I would use the fact that 1 L is 1000 cm³...
 
MarkFL said:
I think you have the volume inverted...I would write:

$$V=\frac{m}{\rho}=\frac{2.80\text{ kg}}{8000\,\dfrac{\text{kg}}{\text{m}^3}}=\frac{7}{20000}\text{ m}^3$$

Okay, now we need to convert the 20.0 L of gasoline into m³. I would use the fact that 1 L is 1000 cm³...

The answer for L to m^3 is .02 m^3.
 
Cbarker1 said:
The answer for L to m^3 is .02 m^3.

$$1\text{ L}=1\text{ L}\cdot\frac{1000\text{ cm}^3}{1\text{ L}}\cdot\left(\frac{1\text{ m}}{100\text{ cm}}\right)^3=\frac{1}{1000}\text{ m}^3$$

And so:

$$20\text{ L}=20\cdot\frac{1}{1000}\text{ m}^3=\frac{1}{50}\text{ m}^3\quad\checkmark$$

Okay, so then what is the total volume of the can and gasoline when the can is full?
 
MarkFL said:
$$1\text{ L}=1\text{ L}\cdot\frac{1000\text{ cm}^3}{1\text{ L}}\cdot\left(\frac{1\text{ m}}{100\text{ cm}}\right)^3=\frac{1}{1000}\text{ m}^3$$

And so:

$$20\text{ L}=20\cdot\frac{1}{1000}\text{ m}^3=\frac{1}{50}\text{ m}^3\quad\checkmark$$

Okay, so then what is the total volume of the can and gasoline when the can is full?
The Total volume is .02035 m^3.
 
Cbarker1 said:
The Total volume is .02035 m^3.

Yes, although I would write:

$$V=\frac{407}{20000}\text{ m}^3$$

Now, we need to find the mass of the 20.0 L = 1/50 m³ of gasoline...we know the volume, and we know the mass density, and we have a formula that relates volume, density and mass...
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, although I would write:

$$V=\frac{407}{20000}\text{ m}^3$$

Now, we need to find the mass of the 20.0 L = 1/50 m³ of gasoline...we know the volume, and we know the mass density, and we have a formula that relates volume, density and mass...

$$\rho=m/V$$
$$680=m/1/50\implies 680=50m\implies 680/50=m\implies 13.6=m$$
 
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Cbarker1 said:
$$\rho=m/V$$
$$680=m/1/50\implies 680=50m\implies 680/50=m\implies 13.6=m$$

To find the mass of the gasoline, I would write

$$m_g=\rho V=\left(680\,\frac{\text{kg}}{\text{m}^3}\right)\left(\frac{1}{50}\text{ m}^3\right)=\frac{68}{5}\text{ kg}$$

So, the total mass of the gasoline and the steel can is:

$$m_T=m_g+m_s=\left(\frac{68}{5}+\frac{14}{5}\right)\text{ kg}=\frac{82}{5}\text{ kg}$$

Recall, we found earlier:

$$V_T=\frac{407}{20000}\text{ m}^3$$

And so, what is the total mass density of the can full of gasoline?
 
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MarkFL said:
To find the mass of the gasoline, I would write

$$m_g=\rho V=\left(680\,\frac{\text{kg}}{\text{m}^3}\right)\left(\frac{1}{50}\text{ m}^3\right)=\frac{68}{5}\text{ kg}$$

So, the total mass of the gasoline and the steel can is:

$$m_T=m_g+m_s=\left(\frac{68}{5}+\frac{14}{5}\right)\text{ kg}=\frac{82}{5}\text{ kg}$$

Recall, we found earlier:

$$V_T=\frac{407}{20000}\text{ m}^3$$

And so, what is the total mass density of the can full of gasoline?

$$\frac{m_T}{V_T}=\rho_T$$
$$\frac{\frac{82}{5}}{\frac{407}{20000}}=\rho$$
$$\rho=806$$
 

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