The Cloaking Device from Star Trek

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The discussion centers on the feasibility and mechanics of cloaking devices as depicted in science fiction, particularly in Star Trek. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of such technology, its potential detection methods, and its narrative implications in storytelling.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while certain materials and wavelengths have shown promise in cloaking technology, achieving total invisibility as seen in Star Trek may not be feasible without interacting with all light wavelengths simultaneously.
  • One participant proposes the idea of an adaptive skin that adjusts its properties based on the observer's position, raising questions about the limits of such technology.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that in science fiction, narrative quality can often outweigh strict adherence to scientific accuracy, allowing for creative liberties.
  • Participants discuss existing technologies that achieve partial cloaking, such as stealth designs in military applications that reduce visibility and radar detection.
  • There is a critique of the Star Trek portrayal of cloaking devices, with some arguing that it oversimplifies complex military tactics and technology, likening it to submarine warfare in a way that may not hold up to modern scrutiny.
  • One participant humorously notes that the portrayal of Starfleet ships in close proximity before firing is unrealistic, suggesting that real-world naval tactics would differ significantly.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of cloaking devices, with some arguing that stealth technology might provide a more realistic and engaging narrative device than full cloaking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the feasibility and narrative role of cloaking devices, with no consensus reached. Some support the idea of cloaking as a plausible technology, while others argue for the superiority of stealth tactics in storytelling.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of cloaking and stealth, as well as unresolved questions about the technological capabilities and implications of such devices in both fictional and real-world contexts.

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TL;DR Summary: How does a cloaking device work? How can a cloaked ship be detected?

Working on a Sci-Fi story and wondering if a cloaking device is even possible (based on current understanding of physics). As you recall in Star Trek, the enemy had to uncloak before firing (not sure why but it made for a great story). So, presuming a device can be invented which will bend light in space, can it be detected by ultraviolet, infrared, a continuous variable array of light, or some other method? I realize I can make up something but prefer to make it at least a little credible.
 
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There are some achievements with certain wavelengths, materials, and objects ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloak_of_invisibility#In_science
... that make headlines from time to time.

A cloaking device to hide an entire ship could theoretically be made if the frequencies of the detecting devices are known so that one doesn't have to grant invisibility on the whole spectrum:
Wikipedia said:
It's not yet clear that you're going to get the invisibility that everyone thinks about with Star Trek cloaking device or the Harry Potter's cloak. To make an object literally vanish before a person's eyes, a cloak would have to simultaneously interact with all of the wavelengths, or colors, that make up light.
 
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CuriousGuy2024 said:
I realize I can make up something but prefer to make it at least a little credible.
IMHO closest to a 'cloaking device' on the 'little credible' line would be some kind of adaptive skin, with luminosity/texture/properties calculated according to the position of the observer.
The observer might try to find the limits of the capabilities of the adaptive skin: delay, calculation limits, wavelengths, angles.

You may use 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol (2011) - Hallway Projection Scene' as a reference.

Bending light is not in line with 'at least a little credible'.
 
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CuriousGuy2024 said:
Working on a Sci-Fi story and wondering if a cloaking device is even possible
You're allowed all sorts of stuff in SciFi. The better the story then the less fussy we are about the "science". I was always impressed how Azimov just bulldozed through huge technical objections by having such ecxcellent story lines and characters.

There are many ways of partial cloaking from radar and sight. Stealth shapes on ships and aircraft are very effective at reducing a target cross section. It's such a clever idea just to have flat sides to produce specular reflections away from the direction of the enemy. That technology dades back to the 50s, even.
Absorbent surfaces can reduce reflections greatly but they still leave a 'hole / silhouette' where the target is.

Read the Wiki article in the above link. It's interesting and could provide some ideas for your story, if you want to drop the occasional bit of pukka knowledge in there.
 
You are going to have a harder time making sense of this than most Star Trek inventions. Ships in Star Trek patrolling a quadrillion mile boundary get within a mile of each other before firing - hence the need for near-total invisibility. That's just Hollywood.

Even today's navies don't do that.
 
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Cloaking devices were introduced to Star Trek to provide a scenario similar to submarine combat as commonly seen in Hollywood at the time. It was an easy to understand connection/analogy for viewers. Even compared to modern submarine warfare, it’s an antiquated concept.

I would argue strongly for stealth instead of full cloaking. It adds drama and challenge, as you stand a larger chance of getting detected the closer you get. On the other hand, it also provides an opportunity for you to demonstrate how competent/skilled your hero ship’s crew is by either detecting a stealth ship early, or by flying their stealth ship in remarkably close. Cloaks are just a cheat code. 😆
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Ships in Star Trek patrolling a quadrillion mile boundary get within a mile of each other before firing - hence the need for near-total invisibility. That's just Hollywood.

Even today's navies don't do that.
You'd think maybe they would learn to turn off the running lights and close the shades. And that giant flood light shining on the 200' wide hull number? I mean, c'mon.

Radar can be defeated by stealth, but visibility in space can be defeated by the color black.
 
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