The Dangers of Smoking Cigarettes

[Polly]

It doesn't matter now.

 

[Polly]

never mind.

 

[Polly]

...

 

[Polly]

Sorry folks.

 

[hypnagogue]

What Hypnagogue you smoke?! But I have always thought you're a goodie goodie...wow. Maybe smoking is cool after all .

I'm a goodie goodie? Who knew? Maybe nowadays I am... not quite so much in my teenage years.

Seriously though, smoking isn't cool. Don't smoke, you'll just wind up regretting it.

 

[Polly]

*regains consciousness* Look what a couple of fags have done to me!

 

[JasonRox]

Although Feymann quit, he would most likely agree he had great times he would never regret.

 

[hypnagogue]

*regains consciousness* Look what a couple of fags have done to me!

Are you sure those were nicotine fags?

 

[the number 42]

Lose many brain cells that way?

Can you lose brain cells just by holding your breath? I probably used to know the answer to this...

 

[Monique]

Very simplistic view if i may say. I think every smoker with a rational "clear" mind is very well aware of the impact that tabacco has on our health. The argument that they don't know this and therefore they wouldn't "believe" the damage caused to others, really is shallow and simplistic in nature.


marlon

Then tell me why certain smokers go smoke in places where they bother other people, if it is not ignorance or denial?

 

[Moonbear]

Then tell me why certain smokers go smoke in places where they bother other people, if it is not ignorance or denial?

I guess that just leaves us with rudeness.

 

[Polly]

Are you sure those were nicotine fags?

Actually they are fags and a few mouthful of cooking wine. I have a bottle of red wind from 4 years ago, but I don't have any opener...what a loser I am .

 

[marlon]

Then tell me why certain smokers go smoke in places where they bother other people, if it is not ignorance or denial?

EErrr, look. This question is is very good but they way you formulate it is eeuhh let's say, in the style of a 5-year old. From the beginning i said that smoking indeed can disturbe other people and if people are indeed not at easy with that they should say it AND the smoker should respect their wishes because they are entitled to smoke-free air. Non-smokers do not ask to inhale "dirty"-air so i say they are totally right. However what i find disturbing in your way of "reasoning" is the fact that you seem to imply smokers don't know about the nuisance they cause or they don't know about the heath-related riscs. This is just making apoint just for the sake of making a point. You are really saying nothing here that you can't read in a "how to behaive in public"-course for first graders. Don't turn this into a "we are good-they are bad"-discussion because that's pointless and it is not going to bring you anywhere. If somebody wants to smoke outside then there is nothing wrong with it and in all honesty i must say it really is non of your business. In public places there should be NO smoking, so if somebody does this he or she is as wrong as you are when you make such childsh statements about your boyfriend or whatever...


regards
marlon

 

[marlon]

I guess that just leaves us with rudeness.

of the non-smokers, indeed

marlon

 

[Monique]

If somebody wants to smoke outside then there is nothing wrong with it and in all honesty i must say it really is non of your business. In public places there should be NO smoking, so if somebody does this he or she is as wrong as you are when you make such childsh statements about your boyfriend or whatever...

Yeah, your comments are very grown up too, right whatever.

 

[marlon]

Yeah, your comments are very grown up too, right whatever.

thanks for the mature answer. I made my point and i clearly pointed out where, according to me at least, your "reasoning" degenerates into ...


marlon

 

[Moonbear]

of the non-smokers, indeed

marlon

Why is it rudeness of nonsmokers? If people want to go smoke out in an open field somewhere away from other people (or really, anywhere away from other people), I have no problem with them choosing to do so, as foolish as they seem for making that choice, but when they come stand outside the entrance to my building beneath a huge "No Smoking" sign, and puff away so that I can't get inside without walking through their cloud of smoke, which leaves ME smelling like smoke all day and gives me a terrible headache, wouldn't you consider that rude or inconsiderate?

I think Monique was actually trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they don't realize how bothersome their smoke is to others when they are standing outside. From talking with ex-smokers, I think she's correct about that. I've known a number of people who have quit smoking and will walk past a smoker, or stand in the elevator next to someone who just came in from smoking, when the smell is still strong on their clothing, or walk through the entryway of a building where someone is smoking just outside the door, and will remark with surprise that they never realized how bad the smell was when they were smoking. Yes, they knew of the health risks, and most wouldn't light up in a closed room with someone they knew was a non-smoker, and wouldn't intentionally blow smoke in someone else's direction, and they thought they were being polite to step outside, but never realized that just stepping outside wasn't far enough. They pretty much thought that as far as you could see the smoke travel is as far as it went, not realizing the odor permeated much further than the visible smoke cloud around them, or how strong it was on their clothing when they came inside. Ever find yourself gasping for air around someone who seems to have bathed in their perfume? It's sort of the same thing for a nonsmoker to be around a smoker.

 

[Monique]

But don't blame this situation of your friend on others. He is a big boy, he should have reacted himself...This is a childish argument and it is to some extent his own fault...

marlon (runs and hides)

Ok, to come back to your attack: why is it a childish argument that someone smoking outside, in front of an open door, is causing harm to a person sitting inside?

It happens, and people don't see what they're doing: I've seen it myself and I was very worried about the situation. The desk has been moved to a different location, the people have been told to not stand too close to the door, and close the door behind them. But what happens in summer? The door will be open all the time, wind will be blowing in. Time to look for another job.

 

[marlon]

Why is it rudeness of nonsmokers? If people want to go smoke out in an open field somewhere away from other people (or really, anywhere away from other people), I have no problem with them choosing to do so,

I agree

as foolish as they seem for making that choice,

Well, maybe this is your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is irrelevant to this discussion

but when they come stand outside the entrance to my building beneath a huge "No Smoking" sign, and puff away so that I can't get inside without walking through their cloud of smoke, which leaves ME smelling like smoke all day and gives me a terrible headache, wouldn't you consider that rude or inconsiderate?

I agree, you are totally right on this one. In this case, the somkers are wrong...you should be given an clean air entrance, really i agree with you on this one...

I think Monique was actually trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they don't realize how bothersome their smoke is to others when they are standing outside.

I really don't see how. To me she only made general useless statements that everybody will agree with. For example if i were to say my girlfriend got long-irritations because i smoke that you will blame me, right? That is justified in my eyes because we live together. But at work if someone blames me for that i won't take it into account because you DONNOT need to be around smokers all the time and even if so, he should have asked to be more considerate. I am sure smokers (at least most of them) will take into account such a serious effect. Just don't come whinning afterwards that it was the smoher's fault.That is childish...

From talking with ex-smokers, I think she's correct about that. I've known a number of people who have quit smoking and will walk past a smoker, or stand in the elevator next to someone who just came in from smoking, when the smell is still strong on their clothing, or walk through the entryway of a building where someone is smoking just outside the door, and will remark with surprise that they never realized how bad the smell was when they were smoking.

Indeed i have heard that too.

Yes, they knew of the health risks, and most wouldn't light up in a closed room with someone they knew was a non-smoker, and wouldn't intentionally blow smoke in someone else's direction, and they thought they were being polite to step outside, but never realized that just stepping outside wasn't far enough. They pretty much thought that as far as you could see the smoke travel is as far as it went, not realizing the odor permeated much further than the visible smoke cloud around them, or how strong it was on their clothing when they came inside.

Pfff, i am sorry but that is too much in my eyes. So, basically, if someone cannot stand some parfume or the "nice" odeur some people have, they should all be thrown out of this restaurant ? I don't think many restaurants would survive such regulations. No, really, just be more considerate as a non-smoker too. Not everything in life will be your way...

Ever find yourself gasping for air around someone who seems to have bathed in their perfume?

yes, then i just make a step aside and all is done. I am not going to start whinning about how unjust this all is...


regards
marlon

 

[marlon]

Ok, to come back to your attack:

Please, i wasn't attacking...i only do that to dextercioby when he is flying again...

why is it a childish argument that someone smoking outside, in front of an open door, is causing harm to a person sitting inside?

Nothing, in fact it is a fact. This is not what i called childish. I was referring to the examples you used and the way you formulate your statements. I made clear references to this in my previous responses to you...

AUB, ge moet daar nu niet kwaad voor zijn. Ik was gewoon een punt aan het maken. Het was niet mijn bedoeling U te beledigen...

It happens, and people don't see what they're doing: I've seen it myself and I was very worried about the situation. The desk has been moved to a different location, the people have been told to not stand too close to the door, and close the door behind them. But what happens in summer? The door will be open all the time, wind will be blowing in. Time to look for another job.

Again, i completely see your point here and i AGREE, really


marlon

 

[Monique]

How do you repel a bunch of annoying teenagers who find it necessary to start smoking, and decide to use my doorstep as a hideout? Everytime I come home my entrance is full of junk: sigarettes, sigarette lighters, left behind sweaters (?), wrappers, you name it, and my house smells of smoke I live on a level in between ground and first floor, so there are some stairs and a small landing.

I tried cleaning the place after them, so they would feel guilty for messing it up.. that did not work. I tried letting the place go, but that started attracting homeless people (they looked like junkies). Now I made a sign 'No smoking', so I expect when I come home tomorrow to have the entrance decorated with teenage rantings.

 

[arildno]

How do you repel a bunch of annoying teenagers who find it necessary to start smoking, and decide to use my doorstep as a hideout? Everytime I come home my entrance is full of junk: sigarettes, sigarette lighters, left behind sweaters (?), wrappers, you name it, and my house smells of smoke I live on a level in between ground and first floor, so there are some stairs and a small landing.

I tried cleaning the place after them, so they would feel guilty for messing it up.. that did not work. I tried letting the place go, but that started attracting homeless people (they looked like junkies). Now I made a sign 'No smoking', so I expect when I come home tomorrow to have the entrance decorated with teenage rantings.

Do you know where they live?
Dump their trash in their mailboxes or something.

 

[russ_watters]

From talking with ex-smokers, I think she's correct about that. I've known a number of people who have quit smoking and will walk past a smoker, or stand in the elevator next to someone who just came in from smoking, when the smell is still strong on their clothing, or walk through the entryway of a building where someone is smoking just outside the door, and will remark with surprise that they never realized how bad the smell was when they were smoking.

My roommate is an ex-smoker and he actually hates being around smoke than me (a never-smoker). When they smoke, they're used to the smell and barely notice it.

 

[Kerrie]

a few years ago i smoked when i lived with a roommate who also smoked. it was easy to give up because it just wasn't me. prior to pregnancy, i would have an occassional cigar if celebrating was in process!

 

[Ba]

Never smoked and really don't want too, I had a roomate that smoked and that smell got everywhere. I was glad when I moved out.

 

[brewnog]

Put me on the passive 'no' list.

 

[russ_watters]

prior to pregnancy, i would have an occassional cigar if celebrating was in process!

Yeah, me too (except for that pregnancy bit). See pic: that's me, second from the right, at a very close friend's wedding last year. My first and last full cigar.

 

[Moonbear]

Monique, are there lights on your landing? Sometimes leaving it brightly lit makes it a less desirable hiding place, or, alternatively, leaving it completely dark can also make it undesirable because they won't even see each other. Even better, pipe in horrid elevator music...apparently loud classical music has also worked to drive teenagers from loitering outside shopping malls in the US (I guess the hope is to either drive them into the stores or out of the way of people wanting to get to the stores). Periodically spilling water while watering plants on the windowsill above could work as a last resort. Get rid of them now before the weather is warm and you want to keep the windows open.

 

[Moonbear]

Yeah, me too (except for that pregnancy bit).

Well, that's a relief! You're not allowed to be a Republican if you get pregnant before you're married.

My first and last full cigar.

Okay, I can tolerate people smoking cigars better than cigarettes, they have a different smell that doesn't seem as nasty, but I still would much much much prefer not to have them anywhere near me. (Sometimes a cigar is just no substitute for......nevermind.)

P.S. Evo, don't make us wait...I demand you release Russ' picture immediately! Hey, wait, now that you're all supermentors, can't you approve your own attachments?

 

[Monique]

Monique, are there lights on your landing? Sometimes leaving it brightly lit makes it a less desirable hiding place, or, alternatively, leaving it completely dark can also make it undesirable because they won't even see each other.

They come during the day so I haven't been home to tell them to get out. I don't know what types they are, but I wouldn't want to get a big mouth or worse Anyway, it's 9.30 pm and I'm soaking the landing with water to give it a thorough clean in a bit