The Derivative of a log of a trig function

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the logarithm of a trigonometric function, specifically the expression ln((1 - cos(x))/(1 + cos(x)))^7. Participants explore simplification techniques before differentiation, particularly focusing on the expression (1 - cos(x))/(1 + cos(x)).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential for simplification using the half-angle formula for cosine and trigonometric identities. Some express uncertainty about how these identities might aid in the differentiation process. Others suggest rewriting the expression in terms of tangent.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering hints and suggestions for simplification. There is a recognition of the potential usefulness of trigonometric identities, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note a misunderstanding regarding whether the task is to differentiate or integrate, indicating a potential source of confusion in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


I came across a question like this on a test today, and it says it would be helpful to simplify before differentiation. However, I could not find ways to simplify (1- cos(x))/(1+cos(x)).


Homework Equations



ln((1- cos (x))/(1+cos(x)))^7)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried to multiply by the conjugate of denominator and got (1+2cos(x)+cos(x)^2)/sin(x)^2

But I still do not see how to tackle this problem.
 
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koudai8 said:

Homework Statement


I came across a question like this on a test today, and it says it would be helpful to simplify before differentiation. However, I could not find ways to simplify (1- cos(x))/(1+cos(x)).

Homework Equations



ln((1- cos (x))/(1+cos(x)))^7)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried to multiply by the conjugate of denominator and got (1+2cos(x)+cos(x)^2)/sin(x)^2

But I still do not see how to tackle this problem.

Hint: half-angle formula for cos x.

(EDITED: my mistake, I assumed you were required to integrate rather than differentiate!)

The half-angle formula is still a very good idea, after you apply this, apply the laws of logs to simplify further before differentiating.
 
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Curious3141 said:
Hint: half-angle formula for cos x.

Wouldn't it be easier to use the trigonometric identities for cos^2(x) and sin^2(x)?
 
Premat said:
Wouldn't it be easier to use the trigonometric identities for cos^2(x) and sin^2(x)?

How would those help?
 
Curious3141 said:
How would those help?

Well, given that tan^2(u)=sin^2(u)/cos^2(u) , shouldn't it be possible to rewrite the equation into tan^2(z) , seeing as we have:

  • sin^2(u) = 1/2 - 1/2 cos(2u)
  • cos^2(u) = 1/2 + 1/2 cos(2u)
 
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Premat said:
Well, given that tan^2(u)=sin^2(u)/cos^2(u) , shouldn't it be possible to rewrite the equation into tan^2(z) , seeing as we have:

  • sin^2(x) = 1/2 - 1/2 cos(2x)
  • cos^2(x) = 1/2 + 1/2 cos(2x)

What's "z"?

The half angle formulae are basically equivalent to the double angle formulae, and they allow an immediate simplification.

Although, frankly, if differentiation is what's required, I don't think prior simplification helps a whole lot.
 
Curious3141 said:
What's "z"?

The half angle formulae are basically equivalent to the double angle formulae, and they allow an immediate simplification.

Although, frankly, if differentiation is what's required, I don't think prior simplification helps a whole lot.

z [itex]\in[/itex] ℝ , didn't want it to get mixed up with x

What does it simplify to using the half-angle formulae? Using the previously stated identities it should be possible to simplify the expression inside the logarithm to tan(x/2)

EDIT: That's tan^2(x), not tan(x)!
 
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Premat said:
z [itex]\in[/itex] ℝ , didn't want it to get mixed up with x

What does it simplify to using the half-angle formulae? Using the previously stated identities it should be possible to simplify the expression inside the logarithm to tan(x/2)

Should that be ##\displaystyle \tan^2 \frac{x}{2}##? Because that's what I get with the half-angle formula.

Further simplification with the laws of logs is trivial.
 
Curious3141 said:
Should that be ##\displaystyle \tan^2 \frac{x}{2}##? Because that's what I get with the half-angle formula.

Further simplification with the laws of logs is trivial.

Yeah, you're right, forgot to square it in my post. I'll edit it.
 

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