The difference between rear and front brakes of a bicycle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the differences between front and rear brakes on a bicycle, particularly focusing on the physics behind their effectiveness during braking in various scenarios. Participants explore concepts related to momentum, weight transfer, and the resulting motion of the rider and bike.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Ali inquires about the scientific explanation for the differences in stopping distances when using front versus rear brakes, and the tendency to fly forward when using front brakes.
  • One participant suggests that the effectiveness of the brakes is influenced by weight transfer, noting that the leading wheel experiences increased pressure while the trailing wheel may lose traction.
  • Another participant relates the phenomenon of flying forward when using front brakes to Newtonian physics, explaining that the rider's momentum causes them to continue moving forward as the bike stops.
  • A later reply mentions that the rear of the bike pivots over the front when only the front brake is used, further illustrating the dynamics at play.
  • There is an offer for more detailed answers involving formulas, indicating a willingness to delve deeper into the physics if desired.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the influence of momentum and weight transfer on braking dynamics, but there is no consensus on the specific mechanisms or the extent of their effects, leaving some aspects of the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the rider's position and the bike's design may not be explicitly stated, and the discussion does not delve into the mathematical modeling of the forces involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students studying physics, particularly those exploring concepts of motion, forces, and dynamics in practical applications like cycling.

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Hi,

I'm a sophomore student at Arizona State University studying Aerospace. I'm currently taking my first physics class ever and I'm loving it. Although there isn't enough calculus, it's mostly formula based, so it's a bit disappointing on that end. Anyways, ever since I started taking the physics class, I've become curious on how certain things in the world work. I mountain bike a lot, so recently I started thinking of how the front and rear brakes differ from one another. By that I mean, why does it take longer for the bike to stop when using the rear brakes versus using the front brakes when you are moving forward, and vise-versa when you are moving backwards. And also why is there a tendency to fly forward when using the front brakes. I asked this of my professor, and he wasn't able to give me an explanation on it, and told me that he would get back to me. I mean, I understand why it happens (in the most common-sense non-physical way), but I was wondering if anyone could explain this to me in more of a scientific way. Does it have anything to do with Newton's laws, or is it because of center of mass, or some other reason? If anyone can give me a detailed explanation of this, I would really appreciate it. But just keep in mind that this is my first physics class ever, so if you're trying to explain something a bit more advanced, please break it down for me. Thank you all in advance for your contribution.

- Ali
 
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Welcome to PF, Ali.
The effectiveness differs because of weight transfer. Whichever way you're going, the leading wheel will be pressed into the ground harder, while the trailing one loses traction.
 
Oh ok, that seemed simple enough. Now, when a person is going at a fairly high speed, uses the front brakes to come to a sudden stop, and ends up flying forward, is that because the translational acceleration is changed to angular acceleration or is it because of torque?
 
That's simply Newtonian physics rearing its ugly head. Your body doesn't want to stop when the bike does, because its momentum tries to carry it forward. The same basic thing happens when both brakes are used, but when you use only the front one, the rear of the bike also wants to continue forward and will pivot over the front.
 
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Awesome, thank you so much for your help!
 
You're more than welcome. Others here can give you more detailed answers, with formulae if you wish, but that's a bit beyond me.
 

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