The different Fourier Transforms

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The discussion revolves around the differences between two forms of the Fourier transform as taught in different courses: one in a waves course and the other in a PDEs course. Participants explore the implications of these differences, particularly regarding the presence of factors like 1/2π and the definitions of angular versus ordinary frequency.

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  • One participant presents the Fourier transform definitions from their waves and PDEs courses, noting that they yield different results for X(ω) given x(t).
  • Another participant explains that the difference arises because in the waves course, ω represents angular frequency, while in the PDEs course, it represents ordinary frequency.
  • This participant suggests that the presence of the 1/2π factor in the waves course is to ensure consistency in the reverse transform, while noting that both definitions could alternatively use a factor of 1/√(2π).
  • A third participant shares their experience of using a form without the 2π in the exponent, but with a 1/√(2π) coefficient for symmetry in both integrals.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the factors in the Fourier transform definitions, indicating that there is no consensus on which form is preferable or more common.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the choices made in different contexts, but does not resolve the implications of these choices or their mathematical consequences.

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In my waves course, the Fourier transform we learn is:

[tex]X(\omega)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty x(t)e^{-i\omega t}\,dt[/tex]

[tex]x(t)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty X(\omega) e^{i\omega t}\,d\omega[/tex]

In my PDEs course, we learn

[tex]X(\omega)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty x(t)e^{-i2\pi\omega t}\,dt[/tex]

[tex]x(t)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty X(\omega) e^{i2\pi\omega t}\,d\omega[/tex]

What is the difference between them? Given [tex]x(t)[/tex] they obviously give different answers for [tex]X(\omega)[/tex] so what does this mean?

Thx
 
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In my waves course, the Fourier transform we learn is:

[tex]X(\omega)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty x(t)e^{-i\omega t}\,dt[/tex]

[tex]x(t)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty X(\omega) e^{i\omega t}\,d\omega[/tex]

In my PDEs course, we learn

[tex]X(\omega)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty x(t)e^{-i2\pi\omega t}\,dt[/tex]

[tex]x(t)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty X(\omega) e^{i2\pi\omega t}\,d\omega[/tex]

What is the difference between them? Given [tex]x(t)[/tex] they obviously give different answers for [tex]X(\omega)[/tex] so what does this mean?

Thx

In the "waves" your ω is angular frequency. (T=2π/ω) In PDEs, you are defining it as ordinary frequency. (T=1/ω). I'm not really sure why, in the later case, as the angular frequency definitions are more common.

The reason for factor out front in the first case is to make sure the numbers work out if you do a reverse transform. Suppose you skip the factor.

[tex]x(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} d\omega e^{i\omega t}X(\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} d\omega e^{i\omega t} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dt' e^{-i\omega t'} x(t') = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dt' \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} d\omega e^{i\omega t} e^{-i\omega t'} x(t') = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} dt' 2\pi \delta(t-t') x(t') = 2\pi x(t)[/tex]

And that's bad. So one of these has to have a 1/2π in it. Or, alternatively, both of these could be defined to have 1/sqrt(2π). This is purely a matter of choice.

If you have 2π in the exponent, the 2π factor in front of the delta function in the last step goes away, and you are left with x(t)=x(t), so you don't need any factors in definition to fix it.
 
When I was first exposed to this subject, we used the form without the 2π in the exponent, but for the sake of symmetry we used 1/√(2π) as the coefficient for both integrals.
 
Ah I see, thanks :)
 

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