The Electric Field of a Ball of Uniform Charge Density

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the electric field of a solid ball with uniform charge density, specifically at distances both inside and outside the ball. The participants are exploring the relationships between charge density, radius, and electric field magnitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Gauss's law and the concept of treating the ball as a point charge for distances greater than the radius. There are attempts to express the electric field in terms of charge density and volume.

Discussion Status

Some participants have reached an answer for part a but express confusion regarding the role of the ball's radius in the electric field expression. Others are questioning the assumptions made about the charge distribution and whether the ball's non-conductive nature affects the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on understanding how the total charge is derived from both the charge density and the radius of the ball, with some participants noting the implications of the ball being a nonconductor.

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Homework Statement


A solid ball of radius r1 has a uniform charge density ρ.
a) What is the magnitude of the electric field E(r) at a distance r>r1 from the center of the ball?
b) What is the magnitude of the electric field E(r) at a distance r<r1 from the center of the ball?
Express your answers in terms of ρ, r1, r, and ε.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) i was thinking since the question asks to evaluate the electric field from outside the ball you can treat it as a point charge, E=Q/(4∏ε)r^2, and since the question states it wants the answer in terms of ρ, i used the formula ρ=Q/V and changed the Q to Vρ. after plugging in the equation for V → (4/3)∏r^3, things cancel and your left with E=(1/3)ρr/ε , but that is wrong.

i also tried this problem from the starting equation ∫EdA=Q/ε and got the exact same answer of E=(1/3)ρr/ε
 
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ok...i managed to solve for the answer to part a, however i don't understand the answer. the answer is E(r)=[(1/3)ρ(r1)^3]/r^2, i don't see how the radius of the ball (r1) has anything to do with the answer. to my knowledge it should have only been dependent on the radius of the gaussian surface i drew, which was r.
 
bfusco said:
ok...i managed to solve for the answer to part a, however i don't understand the answer. the answer is E(r)=[(1/3)ρ(r1)^3]/r^2, i don't see how the radius of the ball (r1) has anything to do with the answer. to my knowledge it should have only been dependent on the radius of the gaussian surface i drew, which was r.
The total charge on the ball depends upon the radius of the ball as well as the charge density.

\displaystyle Q_{\text{Ball}}=\left(\frac{4}{3}\pi\,{r_1}^3 \right)\rho\ .
 
is this because the ball is a nonconductor? since it has a charge density i cannot treat it as a point charge?
 
bfusco said:
is this because the ball is a nonconductor? since it has a charge density i cannot treat it as a point charge?
Well, how did you do the calculation to come up with the correct answer?

For any location exterior to the ball, i.e. r > r1 you can treat the charge as if it were a point charge at the center of the sphere.

\displaystyle E(r)=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{Q_\text{Ball}}{r^2}
\displaystyle =\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\left(\frac{4}{3}\pi\,{r_1}^3\,\rho\right)\frac{1}{r^2}

\displaystyle =\frac{{r_1}^3\rho}{3\epsilon_0 r^2}​
 

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