The electric field of a charged semicircle from its electric potential

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the electric field on the z-axis due to a uniform line charge distribution on a semicircle. The original poster, Sergio, presents the relationship between electric field and electric potential, specifically focusing on the potential derived from a semicircular charge distribution.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Sergio attempts to derive the electric field from the electric potential using the gradient, but questions arise regarding the completeness of this approach. Other participants suggest that knowing the potential only on the z-axis is insufficient for determining the electric field and encourage considering the potential in three dimensions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is progressing with participants providing clarifications on the relationship between electric potential and electric field. Sergio acknowledges a misunderstanding and indicates a shift in approach by considering the potential in integral form and computing its derivatives.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need for a comprehensive understanding of how the potential varies in three-dimensional space, which is crucial for accurately determining the electric field.

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Homework Statement



A question involving the relationship between the electric
field E(r) and the electric potential V( r) is about computing the electric
field on the z-axis due to a uniform line charge distribution λ
spread out on a semicircle of radius R, lying on the first
half of the XY plane (0 ≤ θ ≤ π). A few points on the
semicircle are (x=R,y=0) at θ= 0, (x=0,y=R) at θ= π/2,
and (x=-R,y=0) at θ = π (I am using the symbol π as Pi).

Homework Equations



The electric potential V( r) is easily computed giving the result
V(z) = K*Q/Sqrt(z^2 + R^2). Q = λπR and K is the electric constant.

The Attempt at a Solution



The electric field is suppose to be
obtained via E = - grad(V) = - d(V(z))/dz. But this relation leads only
to one component of the electric field.

Could somebody point out what is missing?

Sergio
 
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Hi Sergio! Welcome to PF! :smile:
sergioro said:
The electric field is suppose to be
obtained via E = - grad(V) = - d(V(z))/dz.

No, the gradient of V is the vector (∂V/∂x,∂V/∂y,∂V/∂z) :wink:
 


sergioro said:
The electric potential V( r) is easily computed giving the result
V(z) = K*Q/Sqrt(z^2 + R^2). Q = λπR and K is the electric constant.
Yes, but only knowing the potential on the z axis is not enough information to compute the field there. You also need to know how the potential will change if you move some infinitesimal off that axis. Can you compute the full potential V=V(x,y,z)?
 


All right, haruspex . I see the point now. Some how I was mislead
by the textbook.

After writing the potential at any point in space (x,y,z) and
Leaving it in integral form, I then computed its derivatives
with respect to each one of the components of the field
point (x,y,z). Then, setting x=y=0 on each one,
integration respect to the source variable yields the expected answer.

Thanks,

Sergio
 

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