The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and bacteria

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to a bacterium observed under a microscope. Participants explore the implications of uncertainty in position and momentum for the bacterium, particularly in the context of a student's difficulty in making a drawing due to perceived limitations in locating the bacterium accurately.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • A student describes a scenario involving a bacterium's mass and speed, expressing confusion about applying the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to determine the uncertainty in the bacterium's position.
  • Some participants suggest that the uncertainty principle may not be particularly relevant for bacteria, implying that the scale of the bacterium's properties might not necessitate its application.
  • One participant proposes setting up the uncertainty principle equation with specific values from the exercise to calculate the uncertainty in position.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative approach by referencing the DeBroglie wavelength, suggesting that applying a wavelength to the bacterium could provide a different perspective on uncertainty.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in this context, with some questioning its applicability to bacteria while others attempt to apply it directly to the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most appropriate approach to the scenario.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the participants' understanding of the application of the uncertainty principle, and some assumptions about the bacterium's properties and the context of the problem are not fully explored.

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A student is examining a bacterium under the microscope. The bacterial cell has a mass of 0.200 (a femtogram is 10^-15) and is swimming at 4.00 microns per second, with an uncertainty in the speed of 5.00%. E.coli bacterial cells are around 1 micron, or 10^-6 meters in length. The student is each supposed to observe the bacterium and make a drawing. However, the student, having just learned about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in physics class, complains that she cannot make the drawing. She claims that the uncertainty of the bacterium's position is greater than the microscope's viewing field, and the bacterium is thus impossible to locate.

A. What is the uncertainty of the position of the bacterium? Answer should be in m.

i don't understand this at all and there's no examples in my book can someone just help me with this one?
 
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I do know that the standard rule is to show an attempt but there is no examples in my textbook. So, if someone could help me that would be greatly appreciated.
 
if you write up Heisenbergs uncertainty principle and plug in the numbers from the exercise you should see that the uncertainty principle is not so relevant for the bacteria.

Try to write up the equation and put in the numbers...
 
ok, is this how i should set this equation up?

(4*10^-6)(2*10^-15)(5.00%)>=h/4(phi)
 
equation

[(4*10^-6)(2*10^-19)(5.00%)]*x>=h/4(phi)

where 'x' is uncertainity in position of bacteria'[(4*10^-6)(2*10^-19)(5.00%)]' is uncertainity in momentum(velocity*mass*%uncertainity in momentum)

now acc to heinsberg equation
(uncertainity in momentum)*(uncertainity in position)>=h/4phi
 
I would instead look at the DeBroglie thesis... apply a wavelength to the bacterium and then show the wavelength and find uncertainty as based upon that... it gets you around statistical mechanics.
 

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