The Integral of 5x*csc(7x)*cot(7x)

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function 5x*csc(7x)*cot(7x), focusing on integration techniques and the application of trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore integration by parts and substitution methods, with attempts to simplify the integral through various substitutions. Some participants question the validity of using arccsc due to the periodic nature of trigonometric functions and suggest alternative approaches.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the integral, with some participants providing feedback on the attempts made. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of integration by parts directly to the integral, and some participants express agreement with the revised approach.

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Participants note potential issues with the periodicity of trigonometric functions and the implications for the arccsc function, which may affect the correctness of the solutions presented.

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Homework Statement


Integral of 5x*csc(7x)*cot(7x)

Homework Equations


Integration by parts
Trigonometric Derivatives (csc(u) = -csc(u)cot(u))
Substitution

The Attempt at a Solution



*Note, I apologize beforehand for the lack of knowledge on how to display mathematical equations nicely on PF *

5*int[x*csc(7x)*cot(7x)]

I am preparing for the 7x substitution here:
5/7*int[7x*csc(7x)*cot(7x)]

let z = 7x
dz = 7dx

5/7 * 1/7 *int[z*csc(z)*cot(z)]
5/49 * int[z*csc(z)*cot(z)]

Preparing for the csc(z) substitution here:
-1* 5/49 * int[-1*z*csc(z)*cot(z)]

let w = csc(z)
dw = -csc(z)cot(z)

arccsc(w) = z

-1*5/49*int[arccsc(w)]

Integration by parts

u = arccsc(w) dv=dw
du = -1/|w|*sqrt(w^2-1) v = w

-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) - int[ -1/|w|*sqrt(w^2-1) * w ] ]

-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + int[w/|w|*sqrt(w^2-1)]

In between these two steps I may have made an error since I canceled the absolute value w on the denominator with the w on the numerator.

-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + int[1/sqrt(w^2-1)]

Solved for answer in two different ways (both wrong)
arccosh way -
-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + arccosh(w)]
-1*5/49*[csc(z)*arccsc(csc(z)) + arccosh(csc(z))]
-1*5/49*[csc(7x)*arccsc(csc(7x)) + arccosh(csc(7x))]

trig substitution way -
-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + int[1/sqrt(w^2-1)]

let w = 1*sec(theta)
dw = sec(theta)tan(theta)

-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + int[sec(theta)tan(theta)/sqrt(sec(theta)^2-1)]
-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + int[sec(theta)tan(theta)/tan(theta)]
-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + int[sec(theta)]
-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + ln|sec(theta)+tan(theta)|]

Building the right triangle

Since w/1 = sec(theta)

w is the hyp, 1 is the adj side, & sqrt(w^2-1) is then the opposite side

w -> /| <- sqrt(w^2-1)
/ |
---
^ (1)

tan(theta) = sqrt(w^2-1)
sec(theta) = w

-1*5/49*[w*arccsc(w) + ln|w+sqrt(w^2-1)|]

Final answer:
-1*5/49*[csc(7x)*arccsc(csc(7x)) + ln|csc(7x)+sqrt(csc(7x)^2-1)|]


So, I'm unsure as to why both of these answers were marked wrong (I've submitted them into webassign). Any help would be appreciated!

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NastyAccident said:
Preparing for the csc(z) substitution here:
-1* 5/49 * int[-1*z*csc(z)*cot(z)]

let w = csc(z)
dw = -csc(z)cot(z)

arccsc(w) = z

This looks like a problem to me; trig functions are periodic, and assign the same value to more than one input (eg. sin(0)=sin(pi)=0 ), arccsc(w) will return the so-called principle value only, and there is no guarantee that that value is equal to 'z' (it could be z+2pi or z+4pi...etc.)

Instead, try applying integration by parts directly to \int -z\csc z\cot z dz by using u=z and dv=-\csc z\cot z dz
 
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So:

5*int[x*csc(7x)*cot(7x)]

5/7*int[7x*csc(7x)*cot(7x)]

let z = 7x
dz = 7dx

5/7 * 1/7 *int[z*csc(z)*cot(z)]
5/49 * int[z*csc(z)*cot(z)]

-5/49 * int[z*-csc(z)*cot(z)]

====== (Working the problem from your advice now) ======

u = z dv = -csc(z)cot(z)
du = dz v = csc(z)

-5/49 *(z*csc(z) - int[csc(z)])

-5/49 *(z*csc(z) - ln|csc(z) - cot(z)|)

Plugging in for z.

-5/49 *(7x*csc(7x) - ln|csc(7x)-cot(7x)|) + C

Should be my final answer... (Can anyone verify that please?)
 
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Looks good to me!:approve:
 
Yup seems right :)

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