The max value of the fourth derivative

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum value of the fourth derivative of the function \(2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}}\) over the interval from 0 to 2, specifically in the context of using Simpson's Rule for numerical integration and estimating error.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the fourth derivative's form and its evaluation at specific points. There are questions about the behavior of the function \(y = x^{4} + 6x^{2} + 3\) and its maximum value within the given interval. Some participants explore the implications of ignoring certain factors in the derivative.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made about the function's behavior. There is a focus on clarifying the maximum value of the fourth derivative and the conditions under which it is evaluated. Multiple interpretations of the maximum value are being explored, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework requirements, which may limit the depth of exploration into the derivatives and their implications for the integral calculation.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to write a program to calculate an integral using Simpson's Rule. My program also needs to calculate the error. In the formula for error I need The max value of the fourth derivative. The function is 2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}} and the interval is from 0 to 2


Homework Equations


|E|\leq\frac{(b-a)^{5}}{180n^{4}}[max|f^{(4)}(x)|]


The Attempt at a Solution


The fourth derivative of 2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}} is approximately
(x^{4}+6x^{2}+3)*2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}}
When evaluated at 2 this gives 317.729... Since there is a lot of math involved I would appreciate if someone can review this especially since my program is returning strange results. Also, is there anything I can learn by evaluating the fifth derivative?
 
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dpb613 said:

Homework Statement


I am trying to write a program to calculate an integral using Simpson's Rule. My program also needs to calculate the error. In the formula for error I need The max value of the fourth derivative. The function is 2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}} and the interval is from 0 to 2


Homework Equations


|E|\leq\frac{(b-a)^{5}}{180n^{4}}[max|f^{(4)}(x)|]


The Attempt at a Solution


The fourth derivative of 2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}} is approximately
(x^{4}+6x^{2}+3)*2.718281828^{\frac{x^{2}}{2}}
When evaluated at 2 this gives 317.729... Since there is a lot of math involved I would appreciate if someone can review this especially since my program is returning strange results. Also, is there anything I can learn by evaluating the fifth derivative?

It would be better to write your function exactly, as e(1/2)x2. The fourth derivative is e(1/2)x2(x4 + 6x2 + 3).

The first factor is always positive and is increasing, so can be ignored for the time being. What about y = x4 + 6x2 + 3? What does the graph of this function look like on the interval [0, 2]? Can you determine where its max. value is?
 
Mark44 said:
It would be better to write your function exactly, as e(1/2)x2. The fourth derivative is e(1/2)x2(x4 + 6x2 + 3).

The first factor is always positive and is increasing, so can be ignored for the time being. What about y = x4 + 6x2 + 3? What does the graph of this function look like on the interval [0, 2]? Can you determine where its max. value is?

It is certainly helpful to keep it in the form e(1/2)x2 and now I see that the max value of the fourth derivative is 43e2.
I am not sure why the first factor can be ignored, but for y = x4 + 6x2 + 3 I find a max value of 43 @ x=2.

So, which is it 43 or 43e2(317.729)?
 
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dpb613 said:
It is certainly helpful to keep it in the form e(1/2)x2 and now I see that the max value of the fourth derivative is 43e2.
I am not sure why the first factor can be ignored
If you'll recall, I said "ignored for the time being."
dpb613 said:
, but for y = x4 + 6x2 + 3 I find a max value of 43 @ x=2.

So, which is it 43 or 43e2(317.729)?
For the max value of f(4)(x), use 43 * e2 ≈ 318.

The reasoning here is that e(1/2)x2 is an increasing function, so the maximum value on an interval is attained at the right endpoint. Presumably your graph of y = x4 + 6x2 + 3 showed that this function also is increasing. As that seems the case, the max value of f(4)(x) occurs when x = 2.
 
Mark44 said:
If you'll recall, I said "ignored for the time being."

For the max value of f(4)(x), use 43 * e2 ≈ 318.

The reasoning here is that e(1/2)x2 is an increasing function, so the maximum value on an interval is attained at the right endpoint. Presumably your graph of y = x4 + 6x2 + 3 showed that this function also is increasing. As that seems the case, the max value of f(4)(x) occurs when x = 2.

OK Now I understand. Thank You.
 

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