The missing elements in the Periodic Table?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the historical context of Dmitri Mendeleev's development of the Periodic Table and his predictions regarding missing elements. Participants explore how Mendeleev identified gaps in the table and the patterns he may have observed in elemental properties.

Discussion Character

  • Historical
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Mendeleev knew that some elements were missing and whether he found a pattern in creating the Periodic Table.
  • Another participant suggests that there is indeed a pattern, referencing "ekaboron" as an example.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about Mendeleev's skepticism towards the measurements of gallium by Lecoq de Boisbaudran, highlighting Mendeleev's confidence in his predictions despite the lack of evidence at times.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that the term "Periodic" implies a pattern, with a participant suggesting that once periodicity is recognized, predicting new elements should be straightforward.
  • One participant emphasizes Mendeleev's ability to note periodicity in the properties of known elements as a significant achievement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of Mendeleev's predictions and the implications of periodicity. Some agree on the existence of patterns, while others question the ease of predicting undiscovered elements.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific historical anecdotes and examples, but there is a lack of consensus on the methods Mendeleev used to predict missing elements and the reliability of his assertions.

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How did Dimitri Mendeleev know that some of the elements were missing/not discovered? How did he know that the missing elements existed? Did he find some sort of pattern when he created the Periodic Table?
 
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Pattern - yes. Google for ekaboron.
 
Here's an interesting anecdote about an argument between Mendeleev and the Paul Emile François Lecoq de Boisbaudran, the person who discovered Gallium (one of the missing elements whose existence Mendeleev predicted):

Mendeleev picked apart Lecoq de Boisbaudran's data on the new element (soon named gallium). Mendeleev claimed, largely without evidence, that the accomplished Lecoq de Boisbaudran must have made mistakes when measuring gallium's weight and density, since they differed from Mendeleev's predictions.

The chutzpah here is incredible, but Mendeleev tended to trust his own instincts and formulas over mere evidence. Crackpots often do. The difference between Mendeleev and most crackpots is that Mendeleev was right: Lecoq de Boisbaudran soon had to publish an embarrassing retraction about gallium's weight and density, changing them to values that vindicated Mendeleev. According to science philosopher and historian Eric Scerri, "The scientific world was astounded to note that Mendeleev, the theorist, had seen the properties of a new element more clearly than the chemist who had discovered it."
http://www.slate.com/id/2258112/entry/2257317/
 
FantasyQueen said:
How did Dimitri Mendeleev know that some of the elements were missing/not discovered? How did he know that the missing elements existed? Did he find some sort of pattern when he created the Periodic Table?

Doesn't the word "Periodic" imply a pattern? I'm not familiar with the exact history, but I would assume that once periodicity is noted, you just have to fill in the blanks to "discover" new elements. Given a table at this stage:

http://www.click4chill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/periodic_table.gif

It seems to me that it isn't rocket science to predict the existence of element 113.

Perhaps Medvedev's most astounding feat was to note a periodicity in the properties of the then-discovered elements.
 
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