The need for electrolytes between cathode and anode in battery

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The discussion centers on the role of electrolytes in batteries, exploring why they are necessary for charge flow between the anode and cathode, and how this differs from other energy storage devices like capacitors. Participants examine the implications of charge separation and the chemical processes involved in battery operation.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of electrolytes in batteries, suggesting that charge could flow solely through the external circuit.
  • Another participant clarifies that batteries operate differently from capacitors, emphasizing that batteries maintain voltage through chemical reactions involving the electrolyte.
  • A participant proposes a calculation involving the charge capacity of a typical alkaline AA battery and its implications for charge buildup, referencing Coulomb's law to explore forces involved.
  • Another participant reiterates the importance of charge flow within the battery, arguing that the separation of anode and cathode is essential to prevent excessive charge buildup that would halt current flow.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and function of electrolytes in batteries, with some emphasizing the chemical processes involved and others questioning the need for charge flow through the electrolyte. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants reference specific concepts such as Coulomb's law and the differences between batteries and capacitors, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about charge flow and the role of electrolytes.

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My question is simple: Why do batteries need electrolytes? Wouldn't the battery need the charge to flow only through the circuit in the device being powered? The point of the anode and cathode's separation is to preserve the potential difference, so why allow charge to flow through an electrolyte?
 
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A battery is different than a capacitor. A capacitor is what you're thinking of, it will simply discharge the charge it has accumulated. A battery, on the other hand, maintains a voltage through a chemical process. It produces an electro-motive force through the reaction of the anode and cathode with the electrolyte. When a batter drains, it's voltage stays roughly constant (because the chemical reactions are driving the voltage), while when a capacitor drains its voltage drops as it loses charge.
 
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Typical alkaline AA battery has a capacity around 2Ah. Calculate how much charge it could push through the outside circuit in its lifetime. Assuming circuit is not closed, this charge has to build up somewhere. Let's assume charge builds up at the ends of the battery - they are separated by 50 mm. Try to calculate force that would attract both ends. This is a trivial application of Coulomb's law.

Now, compare that force with force required to lift Eiffel tower. Or better yet, to the gravitational attraction between Earth and the Moon.
 
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Sleepycoaster said:
The point of the anode and cathode's separation is to preserve the potential difference, so why allow charge to flow through an electrolyte?

That's the meaning of "circuit", the current also flows inside the battery. A battery is not different in this respect from other sources of current, like, e.g., a dynamo. As Borek already pointed out, the reason is to avoid built up of (more than very small amount of) charge on the electrodes which would immediately stop the current.
 
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