The Power of Mechanical Batteries

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a mechanical battery that utilizes a spring mechanism to generate electricity, specifically focusing on the feasibility of such a device compared to traditional AA batteries. Participants explore the theoretical energy output, design considerations, and materials required for construction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a design for a mechanical battery that uses a spring to generate electricity, detailing the components such as a DC generator and a pressure mechanism based on body weight.
  • Another participant calculates the energy stored in the proposed spring, suggesting that with an 80 kg force and a 50 mm compression, the energy output would be approximately 20J, which is significantly lower than the 5000J stored in a typical alkaline AA battery.
  • A similar calculation is reiterated by another participant, who emphasizes the disparity in energy storage between the mechanical battery and conventional batteries.
  • One participant suggests that a coiled spring with a crank handle could potentially increase energy storage by allowing for a longer compression length.
  • Another participant raises a question about the materials needed to withstand high pressures, indicating that achieving the required force may be challenging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and efficiency of the mechanical battery concept, with some agreeing on the calculations of energy output while others challenge the feasibility of the design and materials required. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall viability of the mechanical battery compared to traditional batteries.

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Limitations include assumptions about the efficiency of energy conversion, the mechanical properties of materials, and the practicality of the proposed design. There are unresolved questions about the maximum pressure that materials can withstand and the implications for the battery's performance.

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Idea popped, and so I'm here. :)

Can someone calculate maximal amperage and how long could an AA size mechanical battery (with spring inside) produce electricity at standard AA battery voltage (1.5V).

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Description of that mechanical battery:
- Casing would be made of an extremely physically resilient material (titanium?). Of course thick walls are required.
- It would have a single spring (made of some rigid, yet elastic enough material) which requires 10-80kg of pressure to be compressed (you would buy these batteries according to your body weight -- basically you convert force of gravity affecting your body mass into electric energy).
- It would be compressed by placing a battery into a holder (an object with a hole where you place the battery) then you insert a rod attached to a surface, which you would lean onto, into the battery. Those two parts would be what you call 'charger'. :)
- Inside the battery there would be a miniature DC generator (i.e. neodymium magnet and coper coils -- rotor/stator).
- The spring would be pressing a motion converter (linear pressure would become rotation of the miniature generators' rotor). I guess amperage and voltage would depend on size of coils and the speed generator rotates.
- This "battery" would generate electricity until spring comes to a relaxed state. Maybe there could be a regulator which would detect that circuit is closed (it would mechanically start/stop/speed-regulate the rotor (which allows/disallows the spring to expand)).

So that's it. Clean reusable energy source for portable electronic devices (no fancy chemistry, no fire danger, no pollution).
 
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The energy stored in a spring is = 1/2 * force * distance.
The 1/2 is because the force is zero at the start and only amaximum at the end, so we use the average.

So if we made the spring the ful length of the battery 50mm and used 80kg
Energy = 0.5 * 80*9.8 * 0.05 = 20J, a little disapointing, an Alkaline AA battery normally stores about 5000J.

You could use a coiled spring using some sort of crank handle - a coiled spring is exactly the same principle, it's just the compression length is longer.
 
mgb_phys said:
The energy stored in a spring is = 1/2 * force * distance.
The 1/2 is because the force is zero at the start and only amaximum at the end, so we use the average.

So if we made the spring the ful length of the battery 50mm and used 80kg
Energy = 0.5 * 80*9.8 * 0.05 = 20J, a little disapointing, an Alkaline AA battery normally stores about 5000J.

You could use a coiled spring using some sort of crank handle - a coiled spring is exactly the same principle, it's just the compression length is longer.

OR: :)

Let's see...

energy = 1/2 * force * distance; force = mass * G

5000J = 1/2 * force * 0.05
force * 0.05 = 10000J
force = 200000 N :) %.

mass = 20387 kg :D Gimme foOoOoOod!
 
Actually it could be easily achieved by leverage, but what material can handle 20t of pressure?
 

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