The problem of energy appearing out of nowhere

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Is energy conservation law fundamentally a consequence of the universe preserving relativity principle? In other words, can we explain why time translation symmetry exist?
To help with the idea, imagine a box sits in lab in frame S. At some moment, it somehow spontaneously creates 10 J of energy from nothing, without any push, so its momentum doesn't change: ΔE = 10 J, Δp = 0.
Observer S' moves past at v = 0.6c (so γ = 1.25).
Does this energy-creation event look the same to both observers? If it's not, does it mean that theoretically, no self-consistent universe could hold the principle of relativity while also permitting the arbitrary creation and destruction of energy out of nothing?
 
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You could have a universe that obeyed relativity and did not respect the conservation of energy. Such a universe would also violate the conservation of momentum.

What you could not have is a relativistic universe that had conservation of energy but not conservation of momentum. Or vice versa
 
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DanteKennedy said:
TL;DR: Is energy conservation law fundamentally a consequence of the universe preserving relativity principle? In other words, can we explain why time translation symmetry exist?

To help with the idea, imagine a box sits in lab in frame S. At some moment, it somehow spontaneously creates 10 J of energy from nothing, without any push, so its momentum doesn't change: ΔE = 10 J, Δp = 0.
Observer S' moves past at v = 0.6c (so γ = 1.25).
Does this energy-creation event look the same to both observers? If it's not, does it mean that theoretically, no self-consistent universe could hold the principle of relativity while also permitting the arbitrary creation and destruction of energy out of nothing?
You may want to ask yourself the following questions:

Can a quantity be conserved but not invariant?

Can a quantity be invariant but not conserved?

If relativistic momentum (##p = \gamma mv##) is conserved in one inertial reference frame, then is it conserved in them all (under Lorentz transformations)?

What about classical momentum (##p = mv##). If that is conserved in one inertial reference frame, is it conserved in them all (under Lorentz transformations)?
 
DanteKennedy said:
At some moment, it somehow spontaneously creates 10 J of energy from nothing
In order to even try to answer what happens in such a scenario, you have to have some set of physical laws that you're going to apply.

But no one here has given a set of physical laws that (a) has a well-defined transformation between inertial frames, and (b) does not conserve energy.

So your question is unanswerable because we don't know what laws to use to predict what will happen.
 
Dale said:
You could have a universe that obeyed relativity and did not respect the conservation of energy.
Has anyone ever proposed a consistent set of physical laws that has this property? I'm not aware of any.
 

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