Understand Momentum, Force and Impulse

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of momentum, force, and impulse, exploring their definitions and relationships in both theoretical and practical contexts. Participants seek clarification on how these concepts interact, particularly in real-world scenarios such as collisions and vehicle dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that force applied to an object increases its momentum, linking this to Newton's first law of motion.
  • Another participant provides mathematical definitions of momentum, force, and impulse, emphasizing the integral relationship between force and momentum change over time.
  • A participant requests a real-world example to illustrate the relationship between momentum and impulse, indicating a desire for practical understanding.
  • It is noted that the change in an object's momentum equals the impulse delivered to it, with an analogy drawn to kinetic energy and work.
  • One participant challenges the notion that a net applied force always leads to an increase in momentum, highlighting scenarios where momentum can decrease if the force acts in the opposite direction.
  • Another participant reinforces the definitions of momentum and impulse, suggesting that sticking to basic definitions can prevent confusion.
  • An example involving rockets and cars is provided to illustrate how different forces lead to varying impulses and momentum changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express both agreement and disagreement on the relationships between momentum, force, and impulse. While some definitions and relationships are acknowledged, there remains uncertainty and differing interpretations regarding the implications of force direction and the application of these concepts in real-world situations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for examples to clarify the concepts, indicating that the discussion may benefit from further exploration of practical applications. There is also a recognition that force must be understood in terms of integrals when not constant, which could complicate the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics seeking to deepen their understanding of momentum, force, and impulse, particularly in the context of real-world applications and theoretical foundations.

Aman Trivedi
Messages
26
Reaction score
3
Hi everyone! I've been getting confused with Momentum, Force and Impulse. From my understanding force when applied on object helps it gain momentum, the higher the force applied the higher the acceleration therefore more the momentum. And according to Sir Isaac Newton's first law of motion, the object that the force was applied on will keep moving, therefore won't change its momentum until another force slows it down. Once it does slow the object down the change in momentum would equal to the impulse applied on the object. Therefore the impulse would determine the objects momentum post the collision? Am I right? If not could you please give me a very simplified explanation on why impulse and momentum differ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Momentum is (non-relativistic physics)
$$\vec{p}=m \vec{v}.$$
Force is
$$\dot{\vec{p}}=\vec{F},$$
and impulse is the change of momentum between two times
$$\vec{p}(t_2)-\vec{p}(t_1)=\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \dot{\vec{p}}(t)=\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \vec{F}.$$
 
vanhees71 said:
Momentum is (non-relativistic physics)
$$\vec{p}=m \vec{v}.$$
Force is
$$\dot{\vec{p}}=\vec{F},$$
and impulse is the change of momentum between two times
$$\vec{p}(t_2)-\vec{p}(t_1)=\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \dot{\vec{p}}(t)=\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \vec{F}.$$
I understand the relationship, but it would help if you could give me a example in terms of a real world
Situation where momentum and impulse come into play... Thanks (:
 
Aman Trivedi said:
Therefore the impulse would determine the objects momentum post the collision?

Yes, the change in an object's momentum equals the impulse (force x time-interval) delivered to it by the force.

Analogously, the change in an object's kinetic energy equals the work (force x distance) delivered to it by the force. (assuming potential energy doesn't come into play)

(and in either case, "force x whatever" must be understood to mean an integral if the force is not constant.)
 
Aman Trivedi said:
From my understanding force when applied on object helps it gain momentum, the higher the force applied the higher the acceleration therefore more the momentum.

Momentum is the product of mass and velocity. Acceleration is the result of applying a force to a mass. What happens when an object is moving in the opposite direction that the applied force points? Well, it would lose momentum instead, not gain it. So a net applied force doesn't lead to momentum, it leads to a change in momentum.

Aman Trivedi said:
Once it does slow the object down the change in momentum would equal to the impulse applied on the object. Therefore the impulse would determine the objects momentum post the collision? Am I right? If not could you please give me a very simplified explanation on why impulse and momentum differ?

Stick to the basic definitions and you can't go wrong. Momentum is a quantity that is the product of an objects mass times its velocity. Impulse is a change in the momentum and is equal to the integral of the applied force over time.

Aman Trivedi said:
I understand the relationship, but it would help if you could give me a example in terms of a real world
Situation where momentum and impulse come into play... Thanks (:

An obvious example would be rockets, but you could also imagine being in a car that is accelerating. A sports car with 500 horsepower can apply a larger force to the ground than a sedan with 100 horsepower. So if both cars floor their gas pedals and accelerate for the same amount of time, the impulse of the sports car is larger than the impulse of the sedan. The sports car gains more velocity and momentum over that time than the sedan.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Kia Neves

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 60 ·
3
Replies
60
Views
7K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
7K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K