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The universe doesn't care how we want it to work and won't let us change it. If a person tries to "adjust the universe", the universe will simply not allow it and the math won't be an accurate description of reality.

As far as that being an obstacle, sure: attempting to bend the universe to the scientist's will would be a waste of time and therefore an obstacle to understanding how the universe works. So that's why they try to avoid doing that.

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It's about using math to describe things, not change things. Math is the language of physics, not the entirety of the methodology or philosophy of physics.

What you describe would be like your name suddenly becoming Bob just because someone else said it was.

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In explaining intricacies of quantum world such mathematical ideas like group theory were used which earlier seemed only mathematical adventures.

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understanding of what the word "math"means. If Newton knew no math could he have generated the theory of "gravity"?

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Whenever we do any daily life work we are may be unknowingly using mathematics.

A scientist goes more advanced since after all he is also dealing with physical world.

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Mathematics provides the logical framework to OBJECTIVELY define the relationships between the physical entities and actions that are observable... which then enables the "if this, then that" testable types of hypotheses that are the hallmark of the scientific process.

So, this process helped Newton build on the concepts already developed by Copernicus and Kepler (among others). His abstract thought about the nature of gravity might be considered somewhat "philosophical" in nature. But what provided the scientific breakthrough was the way that he used "the calculus" to describe the gravitational "force" with precision, which then was able to be verified by observation and experimentation.

Mathematics (and other forms of logical representation) is simply the language that "objectively" describes the physical qualities of existence that are observable. This connection between physics and mathematics is relatively clear cut and self evident. The far more confusing (and admittedly philosophical) questions arise when one starts to question whether the mathematics/logic does not simply "describe" reality, but rather, it IS reality... in the sense that the INFORMATION is all that really exists. But that discussion is for a different thread.

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Maybe it would help if you think of mathematics as simply being a specific type of logic.

Or maybe it would help more to think of logic as a specific kind of maths.

Mathematics is a language. It has symbols with meanings and operations by which it is correct (one might call it grammatically correct) to manipulate those symbols. A part of how this language, some of some forms of it, was created was in selecting language rules that correspond to our observations.

Is it then miraculous that the universe follows mathematical rules? Well... Maybe.

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