The sign of the current and voltage

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of current and voltage signs in circuit analysis, specifically using Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL). Participants explore the implications of sign conventions in their calculations and the significance of directionality in electrical components.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated a current (Iy) as 2.64 but noted the correct answer was -2.64, questioning the role of the dependent voltage source in determining the sign.
  • Another participant explained that the sign of the current is determined by the chosen reference direction, indicating that a positive value would be incorrect if the actual flow is in the opposite direction.
  • A third participant suggested that the initial calculation might have been for the current in the opposite direction, emphasizing the importance of adjusting the sign to match the specified direction for Iy.
  • One participant highlighted the common occurrence of sign errors in KVL and recommended writing equations that sum to zero to avoid such mistakes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of sign conventions and directionality in circuit analysis. However, there is no consensus on the specific calculations or interpretations of the initial problem, as some participants suggest possible errors without resolving the underlying issues.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed working shown by the original poster, which prevents others from identifying specific mistakes. The discussion also does not clarify the assumptions made regarding the circuit configuration or the definitions of current and voltage in this context.

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I was doing the following problem:

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And I was asked to find Iy.

I found Iy to be 2.64 using KCL. However, the right answer was negative 2.64.

Is it negative only because there is a dependent voltage source with "+ -" ? And why must it be negative? Does "-" in the final answer play a significant role? If I put positive 2.64 instead of negative, would that be wrong?

Also, here is another question

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I found V1 to be 11.9. However, the right answer was - 11.9.

Can someone clarify for me when do you put negative sign ?
 
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525arneh said:
If I put positive 2.64 instead of negative, would that be wrong?

Yes, because the problem has chosen which direction the current flows for you. If the current is actually flowing in the other direction, you will get a negative value for the current because of the chosen reference direction.
 
525arneh said:
I found Iy to be 2.64 using KCL.
You made a mistake, but by not showing your working you aren't allowing anyone to point it out.

Quite possibly you didn't solve for Iy, but instead solved for current in the direction opposite to the direction indicated for Iy. If so, that is quite okay, but you must remember before stating your answer to change its sign to correspond with the direction for Iy as specified in the given figure. Achieving the correct polarity is as essential as determining the correct magnitude; direction determines whether the designer needs to provide a power source or a power sink.
 
+1 Show your working. Sign errors are very common when using KVL. I find it helps to write equations that sum to zero eg write them in the form..

V1 + V2 ...+ Vn = 0
 

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