News The surprising origins of the current Jihad

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Townsend said:
I think PF should give a ribbon award for politics...it has to be the most difficult subject matter to discuss on this entire forum.
Screw politics, let's just be honest and call it the 'arguing award'
 

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Rev Prez said:
This coming from someone whose spent all his time in the PF Lounge forums and, given his nick, is unhinged with hatred for Bush and conservatives.
You make a lot of assumptions. Before you became a member I spent most of my time in this section. However, thanks to GD I was able to see that you have a great sense of humor when you're not being a troll. In reference to my political position, I've never hidden this, so what a revelation you have made.

Dubya is an charlatan, the proverbial Emperor With No Clothes. With no merit of any kind, he came to power with the most unethical tactics (to use a kind word, and which would make Nixon look like an angel), followed by one cover-up after another since that day. He not only is the worst president who has accomplished nothing, but he is the worst because of his massive mistakes.

The Republican party has become dominated by fundamentalists who attack individual rights and civil liberties (e.g., the Terri Shiavo intervention, which you support). And then of course there are the neocons who border on fascism.

But most of all, Bush and these fringe elements have not only severely divided our country, but are bent on destruction of our military and economic strength, and what ever respectable standing we may have had in the world.

How can one not be concerned about the direction our country is going?

We've asked multiple times for members to post positive things about the Bush administration. So I say it again, make you case instead of just attacking members and arguing for argument's sake. Otherwise I won't waste my time further in responding to your posts.
 
Smurf said:
Screw politics, let's just be honest and call it the 'arguing award'
Ok... :smile:
 

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I'm going to repeat what I said in another thread. You are all just giving your "personal" opinions on world events here. Two people looking at the same event will come away with two different opinions. Doesn't mean you are right, doesn't mean you are wrong.

This forum is giving you the opportunity to discuss your views. If you cannot do this without giving those of opposing views the same courtesy you give those with similar views, I will have to start imposing restrictions to keep the conversations civil. I am sure you all prefer me to stay out of it.

Let's all take a step back and take a breath before we hit that "submit" button.
 
SOS2008 said:
You make a lot of assumptions.
No, I don't. You readily admit your inexplicable hostility towards the President and political conservatives, and anyone can search your username for posts in any collection of forums. I've found two in Biology and one in Earth.

How can one not be concerned about the direction our country is going?
Blah, blah, blah. If you're going to insist on not addressing the issue at hand at all, I don't see what else we have to say to each other.

Rev Prez
 
Evo said:
You are all just giving your "personal" opinions on world events here.
I'm not. I'm asking someone--anyone--to meaningfully define "culture of violence" and substantiate the charge that USAID funds contributed to its growth in Afghanistan. It's an empirical question, one that should net an empirical answer if anyone here is qualified.

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Art said:
Returning to the point. Who here (apart from Rev Pres) would find it acceptable if their own children were to be educated using the kind of material which was supplied to the children in Afghanistan?
A straight answer to a straight question: I would find it offensive. Actually, I would find it more than offensive - it would be totally unacceptable and I would refuse to send my children to school. Children get subjected to enough damaging propaganda in the school system as it is.
 
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Townsend said:
I personally think Rev Prez is right on most of the time but I question my very sanity........
Regards
Now this part I can agree with :rofl:
 
Art said:
Now this part I can agree with :rofl:
I can imagine anything that would attack the poster instead of his arguments is rather easy for you, seeing as how thats pretty much all you are capable of.
 
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Art said:
Do I think that what people read affects their world view? Yes I do. As do the companies who spend billions advertising their products each year.
I quite deliberately said the same kind of material. So in your case the question would be, would you be happy for your children to be educated with material using guns and other weapons to teach counting and encouraging crusades against non-believers? Or is it only okay for foreigners to be supplied with that sort of crap.
To bring the discussion back OT (it seems people go out of their way to sabotage topics they don't like - not referring to you here, Art): I totally agree with you, Art - what people read affects their world view. What they are taught at school affects their world view.

If we had one generation of children who were taught that other weird fairy-tale (what's it called? the one meant to counter the theory of evolution?) instead of evolution, how many years of progress would that set humanity back?

The US administration funded the development of text books to radicalise a generation of muslim children; well done to all those who had (and to all those who supported and still support) this aim - it has happened. But this (the books) was only one of the tactics used to make Samuel Huntington's right-wing prediction, the 'clash of civilisations', happen (better 'the clash of civilisations' than the creation of a mass-based movement that threatens capitalism, after all). This tactic had to be supplemented by more drastic measures, like accusing predominantly muslim countries of being part of an 'axis of evil', then invading them, toppling their government and killing their civilians - thus setting up a religious conflict that had not existed before its artificial creation.

Oh dear, the Crusades all over again...
 
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Townsend said:
I can imagine anything that would attack the poster instead of his arguments is rather easy for you, seeing as how thats pretty much all you are capable of.
I've actually never responded to anything you have written before, (I'll leave it up to your imagination to determine why this is) but I made an exception in this case because you attacked me. And as you had led with your jaw I couldn't resist the urge to oblige you. :biggrin: You will find if you are civil with me I will also be civil with you, as in I will return to ignoring you. :smile:
 
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Art said:
I've actually never responded to anything you have written before, (I'll leave it up to your imagination to determine why this is)
:rofl: When have I ever given you a reason before this? This is just another attempt at making a personal attack and to anyone with a brain that is clear as glass.

but I made an exception in this case because you attacked me. And as you had led with your jaw I couldn't resist the urge to oblige you. :biggrin: You will find if you are civil with me I will also be civil with you, as in I will return to ignoring you. :smile:
I am sorry but when you said,

Now this part I can agree with
You were attacking ME the poster! So I responded in kind. If you don't like it when it is being done to you, you should stop doing it so regularly to everyone else. In fact nearly all of your diatribe amounts to you saying something to denigrate the poster instead of what the poster is saying, I wonder why you would do that?

All I was doing was playing devils advocate by leaving a post that was open for someone to attack me instead of what I said. You took the bait. :smile:

That is what I love about fishing...if you play to their instinct they cannot resist. :cool::
 
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Townsend said:
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That is what I love about fishing...if you play to their instinct they cannot resist.
Yes I can quite imagine you using yourself as shark bait and shouting Gotcha as some 12 ft great white shark sinks it's teeth into you :rofl:
 
Art said:
Yes I can quite imagine you using yourself as shark bait and shouting Gotcha as some 12 ft great white shark closes it's teeth around you :rofl:
More diatribe...

I would have never guessed.... :rolleyes:
 
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Townsend said:
More diatribe...

I would have never guessed.... :rolleyes:
But it is funny though :tongue2:
 
Art, you lower the value of these forums with your comments. Why is that you can rarely ever address what a poster is saying? Why do you insist on denigrating the poster instead of his actual post?
 
Art said:
But it is funny though :tongue2:
What a tool... :rolleyes:

If all anyone wanted to do was made stupid remarks they could easily make you look like the idiot but instead some people try to take others seriously. Why is it that you cannot extend them that same respect that they have given you?
 
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Townsend said:
What a tool... :rolleyes:

If all anyone wanted to do was made stupid remarks they could easily make you look like the idiot but instead some people try to take others seriously. Why is it that you cannot extend them that same respect that they have given you?
Lighten up Townsend. It seems you take yourself seriously enough for the both of us. Most people don't mind mild amusing comments but as you obviously do I shall return to ignoring you. I'll leave you with the opportunity for the last word and say goodbye.
 
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Art said:
Lighten up Townsend. It seems you take yourself seriously enough for the both of us. Most people don't mind mild amusing comments but as you obviously do I shall return to ignoring you. Goodbye.
I do mind your comments, as their purpose is not humor. Your intentions are to make the posters comments seem less believable by attempting to make the poster seem dumb or irrational, or whatever you can manage to come up with. It is not funny and I really get sick of trying to glean useful viewpoints from the crap that is posted.

I see you would rather write me off than to engage my comments, as I tend to get right to the point. Where I come from we call that a retreat.
 

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