News CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons

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The discussion centers on the legality and morality of the CIA's covert prison system established post-9/11, which includes secret facilities in various countries for the detention and interrogation of suspected terrorists. Reports indicate that these "black sites" operate with minimal oversight and transparency, raising significant ethical concerns regarding human rights violations and the treatment of detainees. The conversation highlights the use of torture and extraordinary rendition, where the U.S. outsources interrogation to countries known for employing harsh methods. Critics argue that such practices undermine American values and the rule of law, questioning the effectiveness of torture in obtaining reliable information. The debate also touches on the broader implications for civil liberties and the potential for abuse of power, emphasizing the need for a more humane approach to national security that addresses the root causes of terrorism rather than resorting to inhumane tactics.
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PARIS - A European investigator said Tuesday he has found mounting indications the United States illegally held detainees in Europe but then hurriedly shipped out the last ones to North Africa a month ago when word leaked out.

Dick Marty, a Swiss senator looking into claims the CIA operated secret prisons in Europe, said an ongoing, monthlong investigation unearthed "clues" that Poland and Romania were implicated — perhaps unwittingly.
 
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Skyhunter said:
I know what you mean. I don't even recognize this country anymore.

What happened to the America I grew up in?

That shining beacon of freedom and justice for all.

I never would have believed America would behave this way, or that Americans would tolerate it. Maybe that is why so many are eager to believe that the election(s) were rigged. (Not to imply that they were not.)
It's starts at home:

Is the Pentagon spying on Americans?
Secret database obtained by NBC News tracks ‘suspicious’ domestic groups

A secret Pentagon database indicates the U.S. military is collecting information on American peace activists and monitoring protests against the Iraq war. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.

By Lisa Myers, Douglas Pasternak, Rich Gardella and the NBC Investigative Unit
Updated: 7:51 p.m. ET Dec. 13, 2005

WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period.

...The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups.

...Two years ago, the Defense Department directed a little known agency, Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA, to establish and “maintain a domestic law enforcement database that includes information related to potential terrorist threats directed against the Department of Defense.” Then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz also established a new reporting mechanism known as a TALON or Threat and Local Observation Notice report. TALONs now provide “non-validated domestic threat information” from military units throughout the United States that are collected and retained in a CIFA database...

...Bert Tussing, director of Homeland Defense and Security Issues at the U.S. Army War College and a former Marine, says “there is very little that could justify the collection of domestic intelligence by the Unites States military. If we start going down this slippery slope it would be too easy to go back to a place we never want to see again,” he says.
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