The two meanings of the integral sign

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The discussion revolves around the meanings of the integral sign \int in calculus, specifically addressing its interpretations in the context of Riemann sums and integration. Participants explore the distinctions between Riemann sums, definite integrals, and indefinite integrals, as well as the implications of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the integral sign represents a Riemann sum, where rectangles under the curve are added, while others argue that this is actually a form of integration.
  • There is a contention about whether the integral sign indicates actual integration or anti-differentiation, with some asserting that both interpretations are valid.
  • A later reply clarifies that the integral sign represents the limit of the Riemann sum, suggesting a more nuanced understanding of its meaning.
  • Participants note that the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus connects the results of definite and indefinite integrals, but there is disagreement on the implications of this relationship.
  • One participant highlights that while anti-derivatives exist for well-behaved functions, finding them can be challenging, and some functions' anti-derivatives are expressed in terms of definite integrals.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the meanings of the integral sign, with multiple competing views remaining regarding its interpretation and the relationship between Riemann sums and integration.

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Limitations include varying definitions of integration and anti-differentiation, as well as the complexity of finding anti-derivatives for certain functions, which may not be expressible in elementary terms.

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The integral sign [tex]\int[/tex] can have two meanings:

(1) It indicates the Riemann sum, in which we don't actually integrate, but add the rectangles under the curve.

(2) It indicates the actual integration, in which we integrate (i.e. antidifferentiate) the function, either just to find the antiderivative (without limits but with a constant), or to find the area under a curve (with limits but without a constant).

But almost all of the times the integral sign indicates (2).

Is the above correct?
 
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Juwane said:
The integral sign [tex]\int[/tex] can have two meanings:

(1) It indicates the Riemann sum, in which we don't actually integrate, but add the rectangles under the curve.
Nope.
That IS integration!
(2) It indicates the actual integration, in which we integrate (i.e. antidifferentiate) the function, either just to find the antiderivative (without limits but with a constant), or to find the area under a curve (with limits but without a constant).
Nope.
This is anti-differentiation.
But almost all of the times the integral sign indicates (2).
Of course, since the fundamental theorem of calculus proves that the often ridiculously easier (2) gives the exact answer to (1)
 
Juwane said:
The integral sign [tex]\int[/tex] can have two meanings:

(1) It indicates the Riemann sum, in which we don't actually integrate, but add the rectangles under the curve.

(2) It indicates the actual integration, in which we integrate (i.e. antidifferentiate) the function, either just to find the antiderivative (without limits but with a constant), or to find the area under a curve (with limits but without a constant).

But almost all of the times the integral sign indicates (2).

Is the above correct?
Not exactly. In (1), the integral sign does not represent the Riemann sum- it represents the limit of the Riemann sum where you take the limit in a specified way. As for (2), the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus says that it gives the same result as (1) so they really have the same meaning.
 
HallsofIvy said:
As for (2), the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus says that it gives the same result as (1)
Plus an arbitrary constant, of course. Essentially, (1) is the definite integral (but note Hall's "not exactly" caveat) and (2) is the indefinite integral, aka the anti-derivative.

Also note that while an anti-derivative of any well-behaved function always exists, finding that anti-derivative can be a difficult, if not impossible, task. Ofttimes the anti-derivative of some function is expressed in terms of a definite integral. For example, consider the anti-derivative of [itex]f(x)=\exp(-x^2)[/tex]. This anti-derivative cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions. The corresponding definite integral is a very important function in statistics and elsewhere:<br /> <br /> [tex]\text{erf}(x) = \frac 2 {\sqrt{\pi}} \int_0^x e^{-t^2} dt[/tex]<br /> <br /> Just because the anti-derivative does not exist (in terms of elementary functions, that is) does not mean the definite integral cannot be computed.[/itex]
 

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